What GS camshafts are interchaingeable?

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  • hannibal
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    • Jun 2015
    • 1033
    • Washington DC

    #16
    Since the duration of the 79 and 80 850 cams are the same, don't they use the same cam just timed 10? differently?

    In other words, couldn't you just advance the 79 cam a few teeth and effectively have a 80 cam?
    Jordan

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    • Chuck78
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      • Aug 2012
      • 3691
      • Columbus, Ohio

      #17
      Yes, just like the 1000G/1100G models, same cams, various cam sprockets year by year, altering the timing, searching for more low-mid grunt.
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      • Steve
        GS Whisperer
        • Jun 2005
        • 35924
        • southwest oHIo

        #18
        Originally posted by hannibal
        Since the duration of the 79 and 80 850 cams are the same, don't they use the same cam just timed 10? differently?

        In other words, couldn't you just advance the 79 cam a few teeth and effectively have a 80 cam?
        You have a plausible idea, it just needs a bit of "refinement".

        I don't know if the difference is in the cam itself or the sprockets. The lobes themselves might be offset 10? or it might be the offset between the bolts that hold the sprockets to the cams.

        Either way, there are 30 teeth on the sprocket, so moving just ONE tooth will change the cam 12?.
        I certainly would not go "a few teeth".

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        • TeamDar
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          • Nov 2008
          • 1137
          • St. Louis, MO

          #19
          Originally posted by Steve
          You have a plausible idea, it just needs a bit of "refinement".

          I don't know if the difference is in the cam itself or the sprockets. The lobes themselves might be offset 10? or it might be the offset between the bolts that hold the sprockets to the cams.

          Either way, there are 30 teeth on the sprocket, so moving just ONE tooth will change the cam 12?.
          I certainly would not go "a few teeth".

          .
          This is not correct. When measuring camshaft timing and duration, the numbers are referring to crankshaft degrees of rotation not camshaft degrees of rotation. While moving the timing chain one tooth on the cam sprocket is actually 24 not 12 degrees of advance or retard as measured at the crankshaft since the cams run at half the speed of the crankshaft. In other words, if you were to retard the camshaft one tooth on the cam sprocket, you would have to rotate the crankshaft 24 degrees to rotate the camshaft to its old position. Dar

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          • Steve
            GS Whisperer
            • Jun 2005
            • 35924
            • southwest oHIo

            #20
            Very correct, Dar, thanks for the reminder.

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            #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
            #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
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            • hannibal
              Forum Sage
              • Jun 2015
              • 1033
              • Washington DC

              #21
              Thanks all around for the clarification.
              Jordan

              1977 Suzuki GS750 (My first bike)
              2000 Kawasaki ZRX1100
              1973 BMW R75/5

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              • Big T
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                • Mar 2005
                • 12387
                • West Slope, OR

                #22
                Slotted cam gears will provide better cam timing
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                • GregT
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                  • Jul 2009
                  • 3541
                  • New Zealand

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Big T
                  Slotted cam gears will provide better cam timing
                  Only if you then put the cams in the right place.....

                  The smaller fours like 108/108 lobe centers regardless of which cams you use.

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