fuel injected turbo katana

I pulled off my oil cooler and my top end oiler. I have read debates on whether these things drop oil pressure do to the increased area that the pump has to push oil up. It is too late tonight to do the tests to will get to it tomorrow. I ran the pressures today with them connected. 1500 and 3000 rpms. I will post the results tomorrow night. I am measureing the main gallery oil pressure sensor location as well as the right side oil gallery at the base of cylinder 4.

Great thread. Technically beyond my skills but love it. Did your cooler rupture.. indicating a restriction after the cooler?

No, its just weeping. This is the second cooler that has gone bad. I may rethink which cooler I buy next. This is an Earl's. (yes, it is installed correctly)

Great thread. Technically beyond my skills but love it. Did your cooler rupture.. indicating a restriction after the cooler?

Problems,
Went for a rip today, pegged the oil pressure gauge at 100psi. Idle is 7psi. That is quite a range from stock: 1.5psi to 6psi. God some work to do. Oh yeh, my new Earl's oil cooler relieved itself all over the front of my bike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UqN4eTPO-k&feature=plcp

[isleoman]

Rob, Found this thread late in the game. Great thread and a phenomenal build. I really appreciate not only your design skills but your willingness to concisely document the process, what a gift to those that may try to follow your lead.

You'll get it dialed in and when you do all I'll hear is....blah blah blah blah turbo.....

Love the build and the detail you are putting into this thread!

[pete]

I'm completely lost in the technical details but I'm still following along... awesome work

I think this is even more beastly than Derek's Kat over on the Kat Australia forum! He's drillit over there... saw your thread over there as well

Edit: Forgot to mention I ride with him and Reg every now and then, and I believe Reg met you over in Canada a while back.

Well, thought I was done, but I am not.
Went for a pound today with the new restrictor in and a pressure gauge. @ Oil temp of 107C, idle (1,500 rpm) was 17 to 18 psi. @ 2krpm, pressure rose to 30psi. I thought that was a little high so I opened up the cross feed hole in the restrictor by 0.030". Idle has now dropped to 7-8 psi and 30 psi is reached by 3krpm. This was @ 106C temp. I was surprised at the substantial idle drop considering that I was at this level with 2 x 4mm holes. It is late here now so I will do some more in the daylight tomorrow. I also have to get a gauge that reads over 30psi so I can see what this is putting out @ higher rpm.

The stock gears run 1.5psi @ about 1200 rpm and max about 6psi @ 4k. I am running stock oil pump gears at this point so I expect the pressure to rise somewhat when I install the hi-flow gears and change the oil. This oil is old. If anyone out there has any pressure range numbers for an old GS1100 that would be appreciated. I was shooting for 10psi @ 1,200 rpm when hot.

Id doesn't seem to be a problem getting the needed pressure above 2krpm. I have to run a test tomorrow with the right side oil gallery and see what the crank and head are seeing now for pressure. First I have to get a 100psi gauge.

I will have to juggle things abit. Here is a video for those interested in the cold, warm, hot pressure drops. From idle to 2krpm I am seeing almost a 10psi drop in pressure. I am sure it is more @ higher rpms but my gauge won't allow me to push it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWt1DaOUnws&feature=plcp

Katana turbo oil restrictor complete

I finnished the restrictor today and have achieved the desired oil pressure increase. From 1.5psi @ idle to better than 8psi, and from 5/6psi @ higher rpm to 30+ psi. The turbo will now be happy. I am sure a few of the gaskets or O'rings may complain though.

The restrictor replaces the oil pressure sensor and captures the oil coming from the pump by sliding into the boss below it. My old Ward Performance top end oilling kit used an O'ring to seal that boss and capture the oil. This feeds directly to the turbo. There is a cross feed in the restrictor that feeds the head and crank, at a higher pressure than stock which is also good.

I am going to be making a deep dish (no not pizza) oil surge well and move the pick ups to the rear. They will draw the oil from the deeper well to prevent the all too familiar air sucking at agressive throttle. More on that at a later date.

The pics show a single line for the turbo but I will be running a "T" with one side going to the pressure gauge and one to the turbo. I will be using this for a gauge this week to monitor pressure in a real world environment.

I may miss some posts here and there on here but you can always pick up more details on my blog. http://blog.suzuki-katana.com

Did some more testing today. Reduced the oil restrictor to 5.5mm main feed diameter. This feeds the turbo and leads to the 3.5mm feed holes for the engine. It's these holes that influence the pressure. The video is up on my youtube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RLiwAnBRks

Now I will make the final restrictor as I have the correct specs. Note that these numbers are the result of stock oil pump gears in this 1100. I will be installing hi-flow oil pump gears which will raise the pressure a few more points.

I will have a straight fitting out the top of the restrictor. AN-4 male to a NPT male thread. This will allow me to tighten the restrictor down as well as give me a point to attach the "T" fitting so I can run the turbo feed and as well as an oil pressure gauge to monitor the oil pressure to the turbo.

The restrictor fit into my top end oiler distribution block which is where the old oil pressure switch use to live.

OK, I flumixed my original attempt at the restrictor. I may not have posted that here but, I buggered up the threads enough not to be able to use the restrictor perminently but they are good enough for testing. I thought, Hmm, I don't want to keep making these things with different hole sizes so I turned it into a two piece press fit unit. Now I only have to make one part if the hole sizes are not right. When I have the correct sizes, I will make a nice purty one.

Now, I was told to make a 9mm main feed hole and a 4mm cross hole to feed the engine. But, correct me if I am wrong, IF the engine feed restriction is 4mm and the turbo feed line is AN-4 (4.25ish mm) then the main feed diameter doesn't have to be 9mm. As long as it is at least 4.25mm it makes no difference?? yes?? Because all the other diameters are smaller.

Moving on, I remade the restrictor with a 3.5mm feed for the engine and head, and shrunk the main feed hole diameter to 5.5mm. As seen in the pics. I will test these sizes tomorrow and measure the pressure differences.

Did a retest today.

Oil temp: 105 C, 10w/40

With restrictor installed, no turbo, pressure deadended to gauge from oil sensor plate:
3psi @ idle (1,300)
17psi @ 4k
23psi @ 5k

Right Side gallery @ base of cylinder 4:
1.5psi @ idle

No restrictor: http://youtu.be/Ns4XRTDE2L8

This shows idle pressures between the r/s gallery and main gallery with restrictor. I am told my goal is 8psi @ idle for this journal bearing IHI. http://youtu.be/JyV7AGSX4Aw
I have a 9mm feed from the sensor plate to the turbo, and a 4.75mm feed to the the rest of the engine. Others are running this engine with a 4mm feed to crank and head. I guess I will reduce the 4.75mm to 3.5mm and see what that does and adjust as needed.

turbo katana

Well, it is that time of year when all good motorcycle owners begin to dream of what they will do until the weather is good again for riding. That is, all of us closer to the poles.
Well, I am installing that turbo I have been puting off. I checked the pressure today to see what my idle and 4k reading were with the top end oiler and oil cooler installed.

factory says 1.6psi @ 1,200 rpm and between 5-6psi @ 3k for my '83 1100. Mine is running 2.5psi @ 1,200 rpm and 13psi @ 4k. Plenty good enough for a N/A motor. However, I need to get to .5 bar or 8psi @ idle and 2 bar or 30 psi @ 3k. How do I do that?

Some very smart turbo guys sent me a diagram to build a restrictor that threads into the oil sensor plate in place of the oil sensor. It restricts (whereby increasing) the pressure. the turbo will run a feed from that tap. And, here is the restrictor.



My, didn't that work nicely. I now have 7psi @ 1,500 rpm as taken from the right side oil gallery at the base of #4 cylinder. Tomorrow I will check pressure directly from the restrictor and if it is not enough, I will decrease the passages just a little more.

Here is a vid of the pressure before the restrictor. And I just bought a new pipe too that I guess I won't be using...Good thing I bought more than one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH38o...ature=youtu.be

Luv that bike!

Congratulations Rob! Still going strap on that Turbo?

Thanks M8, turbo is sched for next winter. Right now I have to deal with major head issues. Bent valves, toasted guides and roasted exhaust valves.

The head only has a couple hundred miles on it. New APE guides and I thought new ex 1mm over valves but they are at spec limit. Going to be expensive sorting this out. I have a couple grand into the head already and I am looking at another $1,000 as I need 16 new stainless 28.5mm valves, 16 guides and new seats cut.

A late night and lack of attention cost me the intakes as I neglected to back off the adj screws when changing out the cams for a set with much larger base circles. I pulled them out of another gs1100 engine I have here and they are lower lift than what I took out so...... just wasn't thinking clearly.That is the only thing I can think of that did it. I know something was up when I spun the engine over and there was no compression.

No marks on the pistons, no noise when spun over but the intakes are from .001 to .002 run out. 4 of them I had to hammer out with an old valve. Yes, I know... UGLY!!

That has led to the discovery of the toasted guides and ex valves. Not sure what is up with the ex valves, I thought they were new. Prob is I had the head done well over year ago by a guy out of town and it has been sitting all this time and I can't remember if they were new or used valves.

Either way, I need 8 new 24mm valves, and 8 new 28.5's.

Hey, I was wondering what model battery you put in your bike? I looked for mine and it is only 210CCA and 14 AH. Was hoping to maybe go bigger than what is recommended to add some options without leaving me hanging cuz of a drained battery. Thanks!

I am using a lithium 270cca 18amp/hr 2 lb battery.