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Here's one solution for mounting handle bars to 954 triple. Kinda expensive though http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=35587&item=4527268852&rd=1
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pointshyofgenius
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50mm top
50mm top
Katman
Well I was mostly wrong and only marginally right. The tops are 50mm and the Vortex does fit.... but as you said ....it does turn out the offset for the stem is off and will not work with these 97 1100 forks. When I tightened and aligned the bottom triple I lost the alignment. I guess I'm looking for the Honda bottoms on ebay.... thanks.
50mm top
Katman
Well I was mostly wrong and only marginally right. The tops are 50mm and the Vortex does fit.... but as you said ....it does turn out the offset for the stem is off and will not work with these 97 1100 forks. When I tightened and aligned the bottom triple I lost the alignment. I guess I'm looking for the Honda bottoms on ebay.... thanks.
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Points.....
The bottom 954 triple is 54mm as is the 750's. I know the busa forks are 50/56 and the bottom won't work.
Are you sure the 1100's are 54mm bottom??
I may be wrong but.......
The bottom 954 triple is 54mm as is the 750's. I know the busa forks are 50/56 and the bottom won't work.
Are you sure the 1100's are 54mm bottom??
I may be wrong but.......
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marcovandevelde
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Looks very good Katman! Looked at your site, the side-view of the engine is just awesome!
Well... Just to add one more possibilty for the onlookers :lol: I give you my solution to ''too short forks syndrome'': Use RF900R triples (the top one is a little stepped down), they fit straight into the 1100 (but needed a new stem made for my 750). The trick here is to bolt a complete 43mm '89-'90 FZR1000 front end into it, it fits! The forks are only 1" shorter than the orig forks but this is made up by the stepped triple so there is no problem. Except you have to take a smaller dia wheel into account ofcourse. Gives plenty of ground clearance. You can use the rubber-mounted top half of the top-triple with the moulded-in half-handlebar mounts or throw that away and just put clamps on the bottom half of the top-triple to mount bars onto.
The FZR spring- and damping rate are fine for our bikes too, I just put in a little heavier oil. And the FZR speedo drive is calibrated for the suzuki item.
Keep feeding us with these pictures!
Greetz, Marco.
Well... Just to add one more possibilty for the onlookers :lol: I give you my solution to ''too short forks syndrome'': Use RF900R triples (the top one is a little stepped down), they fit straight into the 1100 (but needed a new stem made for my 750). The trick here is to bolt a complete 43mm '89-'90 FZR1000 front end into it, it fits! The forks are only 1" shorter than the orig forks but this is made up by the stepped triple so there is no problem. Except you have to take a smaller dia wheel into account ofcourse. Gives plenty of ground clearance. You can use the rubber-mounted top half of the top-triple with the moulded-in half-handlebar mounts or throw that away and just put clamps on the bottom half of the top-triple to mount bars onto.
The FZR spring- and damping rate are fine for our bikes too, I just put in a little heavier oil. And the FZR speedo drive is calibrated for the suzuki item.
Keep feeding us with these pictures!
Greetz, Marco.
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Marco,
You gots a pic of this beast?
You gots a pic of this beast?
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marcovandevelde
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Hi Katman,
Errr... You mean pics of the bike or specifically the forks?
The bike is on http://home.wanadoo.nl/marcovandevelde/turbo GSX.htm
In the pics is still an old ugly front mudguard, just ignore that.
Greetz, Marco.
Errr... You mean pics of the bike or specifically the forks?
The bike is on http://home.wanadoo.nl/marcovandevelde/turbo GSX.htm
In the pics is still an old ugly front mudguard, just ignore that.
Greetz, Marco.
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Anonymous
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954 triple
954 triple
seems you could take the bottom triple and have the fork holes milled out 2mm to accept the BUSA forks then they become a "direct" bolt on als
r am i missing some other issue here???there's tons of them complete on ebay.
954 triple
seems you could take the bottom triple and have the fork holes milled out 2mm to accept the BUSA forks then they become a "direct" bolt on als
r am i missing some other issue here???there's tons of them complete on ebay.
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errr.. i mean 1mm milled out.(sorry,no dew yet,still foggy).that would give you the needed 56mm for the BUSA frt. end.
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errr.. i mean 1mm milled out.(sorry,no dew yet,still foggy).that would give you the needed 56mm for the BUSA frt. end.
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Anonymous
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954 triple
954 triple
well i don't excactly mean milled either. you could take them to a machine shop with a wire EDM.real easy to do in that machine.shouldn't cost too much either.every wire EDM has a circle program in it.
954 triple
well i don't excactly mean milled either. you could take them to a machine shop with a wire EDM.real easy to do in that machine.shouldn't cost too much either.every wire EDM has a circle program in it.
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the 954 triple fits the busa bottom?? why have one bored? Also I would want to make sure there is plenty of strength left after the boring....a lower triple failure would be a big owie.
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seems you could take the bottom triple and have the fork holes milled out 2mm to accept the BUSA forks then they become a "direct" bolt on als
The issue would be getting things to line up properly after the machining. It is a BITCH to get indexed properly on an existing hole and even then, you need to make sure that you get the spacing correct relating to the top triple or things will bind and not line up afterwards. The best choice is to either get a set of triples that work from the OEM or clamp the top and bottom triples together and line bore the pair to ensure they are spaced exactly the same.
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Katman, I'm very interested in the 954 swap. I did some checking and came up with some interesting results.
Bikebandit lists the bearings on a 2002 954 as different part numbers than the 929. However, the 2003 954 has the same part numbers as the 929 and the 2004 1000. I have a feeling that not all of the 954 bearings are the same.
Bikebandit lists the bearings on a 2002 954 as different part numbers than the 929. However, the 2003 954 has the same part numbers as the 929 and the 2004 1000. I have a feeling that not all of the 954 bearings are the same.
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that could be....MIne are 2002 954 triples (top and bottom) I saw a set of 03' 954's on ebay and questioned buddy because they have roller bearings not tapered. He told me they are 03 954's. so it looks like only 02's will fit.
It is easy though, just make sure they are the tapered bearings and you will be ok.
It is easy though, just make sure they are the tapered bearings and you will be ok.
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Ok, thanks, that clears some of this up. I bet that you can use the '03's and then get the '02 bearings and replace them. The stem should be the same. That's pretty expensive though - about another $80 or so.katman said:
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Ed74mnd
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Hi,
Im very impressed at the research here, and am planning a swap based on the info described here.
im squirreling parts away now, and have come across a 89, GSXR750 front wheel or also a 93 model 1100 front wheel.
Do either of these fitup to the 91-93 GSXR750 forks?
Cheers
Ed
Im very impressed at the research here, and am planning a swap based on the info described here.
im squirreling parts away now, and have come across a 89, GSXR750 front wheel or also a 93 model 1100 front wheel.
Do either of these fitup to the 91-93 GSXR750 forks?
Cheers
Ed
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THE 93 wheel will fit. don't know about the 89.
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89 wheel
89 wheel
Ed both of your wheels will fit the forks you asked about. I have a set of both and swap them back and forth. Steve
89 wheel
Ed both of your wheels will fit the forks you asked about. I have a set of both and swap them back and forth. Steve
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Ed74mnd
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sorry about another inane question...
if an 89 front wheel fits, then could it be reasonably assumed an 88 GSXR1100 wheel would fit the above mentioned forks (91-93 - GSXR750)?
thanks for your advice, apologies for diverting the course of this thread.
Cheers
Ed
if an 89 front wheel fits, then could it be reasonably assumed an 88 GSXR1100 wheel would fit the above mentioned forks (91-93 - GSXR750)?
thanks for your advice, apologies for diverting the course of this thread.
Cheers
Ed
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88 gsxr 1100wheel
88 gsxr 1100wheel
Not sure Ed. Both the 88-9 gsxr750 front wheels will fit the 93 front end, but the 88gsxr1100 is an entirely different animal than the 88and up 750 or the 89gsxr1100. Unlike the 750 which changed to what is known as a slingshot in 88, the 1100 remained based on the slabside untill the 89 model year. Therefore the 88 1100 had 18 inch wheels(neat looking three spoke design like the17's) which would not fit under the 93 front fender. This is no small problem because I am not aware of any bikes that came with both an USD fork and an 18 inch front wheel. I also believe the axel size is smaller but that could probably be rectified with the later models wheel bearings and internal spacer. STEVE
88 gsxr 1100wheel
Not sure Ed. Both the 88-9 gsxr750 front wheels will fit the 93 front end, but the 88gsxr1100 is an entirely different animal than the 88and up 750 or the 89gsxr1100. Unlike the 750 which changed to what is known as a slingshot in 88, the 1100 remained based on the slabside untill the 89 model year. Therefore the 88 1100 had 18 inch wheels(neat looking three spoke design like the17's) which would not fit under the 93 front fender. This is no small problem because I am not aware of any bikes that came with both an USD fork and an 18 inch front wheel. I also believe the axel size is smaller but that could probably be rectified with the later models wheel bearings and internal spacer. STEVE
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Anonymous
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Ok, more info. I recieved the 954 upper and lower triples and started tearing into the bike.
1) My forks are 50mm at the upper clamp and 54mm at the lower. The 954's fit.
2) Here's a problem. The gsxr lower is slightly longer than the 954 lower from bearing race to bearing race. The gsxr lower fits into the GS steering hear very nicely, while the 954 lower does not seat the upper bearing well.
Here is a pic of the 954 lower with a piece of tape added to illustrate my point. The tape is the same width as the upper bearing and is placed where the upper bearing rests in the GS neck. As you can see, the bearing not only is not fully seated, but quite a bit of it is not making contact. The area to the left of the pen line is where contact is made.
http://groups.msn.com/SuzukiGSGarage/yoshimurags1000article.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4903
For comparison, I made the same measurements on the GSXR lower and show it for reference.
http://groups.msn.com/SuzukiGSGarage/yoshimurags1000article.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4903
I swapping back in the GSXR triples. The extra lift was nice, but I can't live with this. If I get some time later I'm going to see about designing GSXR top with a step like the 954.
1) My forks are 50mm at the upper clamp and 54mm at the lower. The 954's fit.
2) Here's a problem. The gsxr lower is slightly longer than the 954 lower from bearing race to bearing race. The gsxr lower fits into the GS steering hear very nicely, while the 954 lower does not seat the upper bearing well.
Here is a pic of the 954 lower with a piece of tape added to illustrate my point. The tape is the same width as the upper bearing and is placed where the upper bearing rests in the GS neck. As you can see, the bearing not only is not fully seated, but quite a bit of it is not making contact. The area to the left of the pen line is where contact is made.
http://groups.msn.com/SuzukiGSGarage/yoshimurags1000article.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4903
For comparison, I made the same measurements on the GSXR lower and show it for reference.
http://groups.msn.com/SuzukiGSGarage/yoshimurags1000article.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4903
I swapping back in the GSXR triples. The extra lift was nice, but I can't live with this. If I get some time later I'm going to see about designing GSXR top with a step like the 954.
