80 GS1000E joins the family. Will not fire!

[Anonymous]

As far as I can remember all the Suzuki petcocks without a lever, and no res., have the slot for the screwdriver. if the slot is turned the right position, not sure what position that is, the fuel should flow freely with or without vacum. I recently baught a new O.E.M. petcock for my GS 1150, and a new "O" ring came with it.

 

[Anonymous]

Extra O-Ring

Extra O-Ring

Come to think of it you're right. the petcock does come with an O-ring ... that's why I've got an extra one in my tool box.

Your battery could have enough Amperage to run your lights ... but the starter motor draws a significant amount of juice to get turned over. The click you hear should be the starter motor relay switching to engage the motor.

Kurt

 

[Anonymous]

....... ...... ](*,) ........bike fired for like 3 seconds right off and then nothing. I came home tonight and the little yellow funnel had drained fully into the bike. A little bit of fuel was in there, none on the floor. Tried to start it after putting in the fresh battery and it fired and sputtered for 3 seconds this time.....firing and cutting. Then its all down hill. After that nothing. Choke all the way out or fully in (I did lubricarte it).....added more fuel.....even drained out the fuel from the carbs with the screw under each carb and tried it. Tried starter fluid. I have spark on all 4 NGKB8ES plugs. Plugs are moist I guess...... but not soaked? Are they supposed to be dry...they have bright blue spark. Vacume line plugged, funnell feeding fuel. Is it flooded and if so how can I de-flood it? The screw under each carb right...?

Remember I am missing the air filter and have rigged a t-shirt across the hole while I try and locate the missing piece.

I will install the new petcock and fuel tank soon. Get the rear air box and element. Keep on trying different things......arrgh..... :-({|=

 

[AOD]

as it stands right now, there is no filters or anything on the back of the carbs?

that might have an effect on starting man...very well could be getting TOO much air.

i think you need to get that petcock replaced, and see how it goes from there.

~Adam

 

[Anonymous]

as it stands right now, there is no filters or anything on the back of the carbs?

that might have an effect on starting man...very well could be getting TOO much air.

i think you need to get that petcock replaced, and see how it goes from there.

~Adam

True. Currently no filter box or filter element. There is that big black box which connects to the carbs, then the tube, and I'm missing the rest. I have the cloth rigged over the hole and tried many different thicknesses. Rigged it so fuel can flow with that yellow funnel....

Gonna replace petcock and reattach tank but it is getting gas now.

 

[Anonymous]

The rear air box should not make a difference in vacum at cranking speed. I think I have one out in the shop, if you are interested. Still seems like you are going to need a good carb cleaning. Good luck

 

[KEITH KRAUSE]

Your petcock is on when the slot is horizontal. The petcock is at prime when the slot is straight up and down. It has no reserve. On this petcock, you must crank the engine to INITIATE flow.

 

[Anonymous]

ITS AAAAALLLLLIIIIIVVVVEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

.....gave up after hours of failure last night. This morning I figured, "what the heck, give it another shot before work." I put the fully recharged battery back in the beast, gave it a spray of starting fluid, and it fired right up! Whooooohoooooooo!!! Ran it for about 20 minutes. The choke was all the way out and seemed to be wanting to kill it. Backed off the choke a little and it began to idle smoothly. Saw my little yellow fuel funnel start to get low, refilled it and smiled as it purred and idled. Its way quieter than my 77gs550. After it warmed up and I turned off the choke it idled just fine. Once in a while I heard a rattle but I seem to have read on here that sometimes our bikes cluch basket will rattle a bit? If its cold? It was not constant, and it did not happen over 1500 RPMs. Whatever, IT LIVES!!!!! won't go over 4500 RPMs but it is missing the rear air box/filter assembly.

Engine was dirty as hell and seemed to be smoldering at first from all the oil dirt and grime. I was a little nervous, but it seemed the scum was burning off. I'll have to give the engine a good cleaning. Not sure of the last time it has run, could have been years. I'm soooooo happy right now. The saga continues.............8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

The rear air box should not make a difference in vacum at cranking speed. I think I have one out in the shop, if you are interested. Still seems like you are going to need a good carb cleaning. Good luck

Excellent. If its for sale I'll buy it off of you as long as its for a 80gs1000E model as I noticed that there are like 3 or 4?? different air box setups for the gs1000 stock. I need the Complete Air Filter rear assembly (see link below, #8 part number 13701-49001) in which the air element sits with the lid and hardware.

http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/assets/schematics/Suzuki/SU0054_013.gif

If not, I'm about an asshair away from ordering it new from www.RonAyers.com. Please let me know what you think, thanks.

Your petcock is on when the slot is horizontal. The petcock is at prime when the slot is straight up and down. It has no reserve. On this petcock, you must crank the engine to INITIATE flow.

Thanks for the info. I guess this design is supposed to be maintenance free....then they dropped it? Weird. I have a new one on order from www.crc2onlinecatalog.com When it comes new, I will note if the slot is horizontal or not.

 

[KEITH KRAUSE]

77gs550. To be more complete, I meant to say, on this petcock
EVEN ON PRIME you must crank the engine to initiate flow.
On other petcocks, the fuel will flow just by putting the lever in the prime position. I don't know why your's needs the engine cranking first.
It seems like there's no reason to have prime if it still needs the engine vacuum to allow flow. That's exactly what the ON position requires.

 

[AOD]

while you have the tank off, you should probably take the carbs off and make sure the jets aren't clogged. also check the fuel lines that connect the carbs...mine were clogged on the old set and i couldn't see it...taht's why it didn't rev over 6K before i think...

i made the mistake of not doing a carb cleaning when i got the bike originally...it came back to bite me. do it now, and enjoy smooth riding later.

~AOD

 

[Anonymous]

I found the air box, but the #'s are confusing. There are 3 different #'s. 45500, 49300, 49310. Can anyone confirm if it is from a "79" GS 1000 S or an "80" GS 1100 E

 

[Anonymous]

I found the air box, but the #'s are confusing. There are 3 different #'s. 45500, 49300, 49310. Can anyone confirm if it is from a "79" GS 1000 S or an "80" GS 1100 E

Yes please!

77gs550. To be more complete, I meant to say, on this petcock
EVEN ON PRIME you must crank the engine to initiate flow.
On other petcocks, the fuel will flow just by putting the lever in the prime position. I don't know why your's needs the engine cranking first.
It seems like there's no reason to have prime if it still needs the engine vacuum to allow flow. That's exactly what the ON position requires.

I don't get why they changed it and went back to the orig design. Isn't 80 the only year and even more so this particular model? I was looking through the shop manual and the pics of other models had manual petcocks....... .. . ?

Ordered a new stock OEM one just because it is compatible. I don't like it though but since its new should function likewise.

I have 4 carb kits coming for it and will enslave all others whove done it in the general vicinity to look on. I've been running the bike for about 20 to 30 minute periods a few times a day and cleaned it up significantly. It does not smoulder any more because of the scum and dirt. It sounds awesom.

The battery I stole out of my 550 is dead..... . . . I Killed it with all the crankings and abuse on the 1000. Went out and got 2 new Energizer batteries, different for both bikes.

At idel when the bike is fully off of choke I sometimes hear a faint rattle and then it will fade in and out randomly. Not loud. I read on the GSR here that this could be loose clutch basket screws...or something? But that it was a common thing and not an issue for performance and reliability. Well, is any of that true? Clutch basket?

 

[DJones]

pet cock

pet cock

The leverless pet cock has two positions prime and on. Prime is achieved by inserting a small screwdriver and turning til the slot is vertical. On is achieved by returning the slot to a horizontal position.

 

[Joe Nardy]

I have 4 carb kits coming for it and will enslave all others whove done it in the general vicinity to look on.

And just who might these enslaved persons be?

I sometimes hear a faint rattle

You might be hearing the 'clutch basket' rattle. I know my 1100E has that sound sometimes at idle, especially when cold. Andys116's '81 1100E had the same sound. Mine got much better after a good carb synch. Or it might just be from spending too much time in the shed with engines running!

Joe

 

[Anonymous]

I have 4 carb kits coming for it and will enslave all others whove done it in the general vicinity to look on.

And just who might these enslaved persons be?Joe

Same persons who are going to help me check shims, install new gaskets, synch carbs and time both my 550 and 1000s not to mention rebuild carbs. Those guys....hehehehehe

I sometimes hear a faint rattle [/quot

You might be hearing the 'clutch basket' rattle. I know my 1100E has that sound sometimes at idle, especially when cold. Andys116's '81 1100E had the same sound. Mine got much better after a good carb synch. Or it might just be from spending too much time in the shed with engines running!

Joe

I have seen many posts about the clutch basket rattle. Right now its minimal to not at all. What's the cure or is it even necessary? Why does it happen and is it easy to fix?

 

[Anonymous]

Clutch basket rattles just from wear and tear. The rivets loosen up, but they can be refitted and welded. Mine makes the same noise (78 Gs 1000) but louder than yours, its no emergency to fix it. 8) P.S. I have an air box with a drop in K&N Filter if your interested.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks everybody so far for their help. GSR rules! Y'all are not off the hook yet :-s . I just got an air filter box from Rick (aka rphillips, thank you so much, $$ on the way) which was awesome and fit right in there. Thanks to all and the multiple offers for airboxes....brings a tear to my eye... :lol: .....I oiled and put in my new filter (re-usable foam over a metal pourous cylinder) and installed the air box. I am amazed that the 80gs1000e gets all its air through that little hole off to the right of the box. Set right in there and hooked up the hose. Now the bike will rev but alas, my tachometer froze up a few days ago and I'll have to sort that out to see how high it'll go.

Got a new battery and charged it up. Let it sit for 3 days on the trickle/batterytender at 1.5 as per the instructions. When I took it off it was reading 13.0. Put it in the 1000 and fired it up. Took a reading while idling and it was at 11.1 to 11.3, not good. Revved the bike and no increase. Charging system is not functioning correctly. Arrrgh! Gonna clean all the wires/terminals and go through the Stator Papers now. After killing it, the battery creeped back up to 12.5 and now is solidly at that reading still. I run the bike for at least 20 to 30 minutes a day since I got it to fire orig. Battery comes back to 12.5 every time. Soon I'll know if I need a new Stator/Reg/Rectifier.....$$$.... Planned on doing that anyways. Bike is still a steal and it'll be fully sorted once I am done. Anybody experience similiar things with theirs?

I took it for a spin around the block as per advice from first timer after he came by to check out the beast. I put on new bars too (old ones were rusted and way too laid back. Drag bars, no seat, no tank, no tail...talk about riding a naked bike! I was all hunched down like speed racer. I got about 3 minutes of fuel out of the carbs. MAN!!!!! this thing is a beast! Runs smooth, idles nice, clutch and brakes are great. I idled around the 1st time. Second time around the block on the straight I gave it a little gas at about 20mph. The rear lit up and started sliding!.....DOH, almost dumped it...... #-o ......recovered and realized that this is not my 77gs550. The torque is rediculous on this thing....hehehehe 8O. Put it away after I ran out of gas 50 yards from the gate. That's all for now....

 

[Anonymous]

Installed new petcock, it drinks now. Reassembled the bike and recharged the battery and took it for a 30 minute errands run in the rain. Battery held up amazingly and the bike ran excellent. Brakes felt solid and the engine/trans felt smooth. Drag bars seemed squirrely on the 1000. Maby it was the rain.......Its got filthy oil now which needs to be changed. Once I go through the electrics and the charging issue is resolved, I'm going to address the right side exhaust which is bent and has a hole in it. :-({|=

Anybody have the right side stock exhaust in good condition or a full exhaust?

How about a cherry stock seat off an 80gs1000e with the grab bar?