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A Better Slotted Cam Sprocket Bolt

Nada, zip. I blew away the last one and also tried to send a message back.
 
Both made it! Sure looks easy on that head. I'm sure you know the inside cam caps are about double on the older heads. I was thinking that the lip was wider too. I take it you were showing the newer cams as well.

I saved the pictures to compare against once I get to that point.
 
It's the same deal on the GS heads. Ask Posplayer, he watched me degree his cams & use the same tools. And if you look at that cam, it was a GS intake cam from Cam Motion. They use all GS blanks to make all the GSXR cams too. Ray.
 
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I had the valve cover off today

I had the valve cover off today

Stock GS1100ED (83) with 340 Webcams. I used Craftsman 10 mm 3/8 drive and 1/4 drive and neither would go all the way onto the bolt head. There appear to be marks on the cam bolt head that are closer to the end than is possible with my wrenches.

Ray, could it be the Snap on are more thin walled sockets?

Posplayr
 
You guys are talking about the bolts that hold the cam sprockets on correct? Why would you NOT use an allen head or torx bolt on these? Would it not be easier to get to? Ive only played with one 1100 16v motor recently but i dont recall there being a problem in getting to these bolts, however it was on an 81 head. Never had an ED head open before so i couldnt say. The thought of using a GRADE 8 bolt however, is a bit disconcerting, as rather than simply bending and throwing your cam timing out of whack, causing the bike to run like crap obviously, a GRADE 8 WONT bend, but snap, and that would be MEGA bad news.
 
Why not use an allen or torx?, well, find me a 7mm X 13 with the same hardness and sholder. I had looked for them in the past and turned up nothing. When you find this part, please post it here!!!


I broke down and opened some boxes to refresh my memory. Putfile seems to be having problems and this site limits the picture size to 19K. So forgive the poor quality of the pictures....

I use TRW tools, if anyone remembers that far back. I also use some old Craftsman and Easco tools from the 60 - 70s.

We only get one dickey azz picture/post.

First picture, just to show the parts I use. The Schnitz parts are OEM bolts. Nothing new here.
 
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Put the parts together and you can see that Suzuki in all its wisdom has that bolt right up against the cam. Why, we will never know. The cam company could have relieved this area to help but they don't. So, this is the problem I am talking about. Can we fit a socket onto it.....
 
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Here I am showing my favorite 10mm Easco wrench that I modified just for these stupid cams. No, I don't torqe the bolts with it. I just snug them while I adjust the cams. Notice that there is no where near enough clearance for the wrench to fit.
 
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Nothing worse than having to grind down a good tool. Here you can see the wrench turned in the ground position. There is more than enough material left that it has never cracked but again, I just use it to snug the bolts.
 
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Here is a 10mm TRW socket with a pretty thin wall.
 
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Not a lot of grinding needed but if they would have use a standard 8mm or 3 X 6mm or just moved the stupid bolt, it would never have been a problem in the first place.
 
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With the ground socket I tried to zoom in to show just how tight the fit is.

I did check a new craftsman and agree, no way that it will fit.

Ray says the Snap-on ones he has fit with no problem so that may be the ticket.

I did not put the cams in to try your 10 foot extension trick but I'm pretty sure I just go into it with a swivel and long extension. Just to keep the socket flat. Any method you have that works for you, in my book is a good method.

I have never bought any snap-on tools. I only tinker with the bikes to begin with and would rather spend the money on parts. But having seen Ray's pictures of how nice they fit, I plan to get a 10mm socket and wrench to see how they stack up....
 
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If you get the Snap On socket, you won't have a need for the wrench. More money for parts! :D Ray.
 
Pics of Webcams

Pics of Webcams

Here is a pic of my 340 webcams.
The wrench is a Craftsman 10 mm 12 point socket. It doesnt go al the way down. You can also see where Rays wrench likely got to virtually all the way down.

cam_gear_bolts.jpg


Posplayr
 
I was talking with a friend who is a mechanic by trade and uses snap-on tools. He offered to loan a few tools to try. Rep comes once every few weeks, so not problem if I find something I like.

I wonder how flat the socket is at the end. Mine part that engauges the bolt is inside from the end of the socket. This my be what your seeing. Also, it could be from having the socket cocked with the extension. I don't have a head laying around to see what sort of an angle this would put it at and didn't want to lay the cams into the junker bike's head just yet. Ray's pictures shows it's not too bad without the swivel.

Was talking with the friends I pit for about these bolts and he was telling me they do it all with an open end wrench. Break clean, loctite and good to go. I torque almost everything when I work on them. Maybe why I don't strip parts? LOL.

Funny what sort of discussion can be had about a simple bolt....

Pop's if that's one of those 12 point craftsmans, I tried to grind one for fun and the walls were so thin that it cracked with handly any force put on it. Maybe we can buy a bag of 20 in bulk from snap-on... LOL What's a 340 grind? Never heard of it, or are you talking the 223 grind? I use the 223 on my turbo engines. Basic no frills stock cam. Friends are all NA and they use those mongo lift, blah blah blah jobs. 1500 - 1600 cc high compression GS motors really chugs with those... Ah, only $$$$$
 
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Why not use an allen or torx?, well, find me a 7mm X 13 with the same hardness and sholder. I had looked for them in the past and turned up nothing. When you find this part, please post it here!!!


I broke down and opened some boxes to refresh my memory. Putfile seems to be having problems and this site limits the picture size to 19K. So forgive the poor quality of the pictures....

I use TRW tools, if anyone remembers that far back. I also use some old Craftsman and Easco tools from the 60 - 70s.

We only get one dickey azz picture/post.

First picture, just to show the parts I use. The Schnitz parts are OEM bolts. Nothing new here.
Click to expand...


Nice cam sprockets you have there

Jay
 
Got a call from my friend. The MAC guy had stopped by and loaned him some tools for me to look at. These are some professional grade somethings. Anyway, he picked up two 6 pt sockets and a small wrench. I picked them up tonight and checked them for fit. Crazy tools fit like a glove. The one socket is very snug but does go on all the way. The wrench is way better than my ground one. It actually fits with the entire turning radius. So, two brands fit.

Still a pain but maybe my inner burning hate for this part of the GS motor will finally cool down.
 
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