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Brake Pads - I'm confused

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Ok, all the engine stuff is done, the new clutch plates and springs are on their way and now I'm thinking of changing the brake pads (front and rear).
Which make should I go with: DB, SBS, TufStop?
And should I buy Ceramic or Sintered Metal? :?
 
I tend to go with generic EBC brake pads, no problems so far. Mainly because that's what my local shop stocks. Durability and efficiency of the pads depends how heavy the bike is, and how hard and often you need to brake. All properly set up brakes and pads will lock the wheels if you try hard enough.

Anyway EBC have a site.

http://www.ebcbrakes.com/Automotive.html

Pretty but not very helpful.

But there is a useful site (below) which spells out your choices depending on the make and model of your bike, including competitor equivalents. Look in the product diagrams.

http://www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/bike/default.asp

Don't know what the delivery to T&T is like.

Regards

Big Si
 
We've had this "conversation" before. I've found over the 20+ years of riding GS bikes (850's and now an 1100GK), that brand makes little or no difference in performance. So, I shop price. Whatever is cheapest on eBay is what I go for.

Right now I have a set of Ferodos on the left caliper, and EBC's on the right. I checked them for wear last week, and there's no difference between left and right pad wear. I already have a set of EBC's and a set of TufStop ready to replace them when it comes time for that. All on eBay, cheap.

Shop price, don't worry, be happy. Others will differ, and that's fine. For the need of most GS bikes, cheap pads are perfectly fine, regardless of brand. I've tried them all -- no difference.
 
Oh Yes! ...I just could not find the info with the search engine.
Now I can make an informed purchase.
Thanks!
 
Before you make your "informed" purchase based on one opinion, take a look at Brake Pad Performance for some facts.

This subject has indeed been covered before, and the idea that brake pads don't matter is an opinion contradicted by scientific testing and verifiable data.
 
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FYI, I bought a set of the TufStops for my 1000 on ebay. They didn't fit the calipers! They had a coating on the metal edges, which I thought would quiet the sqeeking noise. But I had to file the coating off to get the pads in the slot.

Cheap does not equal quality.
 
Hi
My experience is that sintered pads are better in vet conditions.

(Dunlopad DP205)
 
Best brake I have ever used, Vesrah; ALL Vesrah pads contain kevlar BTW.
Took the Tractor from four finger heave too two finger squeeze.
I thought the pads in the bike were stock, untill I removed them, discovered they were EBC, work really well in the rear brake, which I prefer to perform a bit softer. So Vesrah in the front and EBC is a near perfect set-up for me.

Dink
 
I must agree with you Dink. Best brake pads made and I dont use anything else. The difference between EBC and vesrah in the rain is EBC's dont work, Vesrah does. LOL

Earl

Dink said:
Best brake I have ever used, Vesrah; ALL Vesrah pads contain kevlar BTW.
Took the Tractor from four finger heave too two finger squeeze.
I thought the pads in the bike were stock, untill I removed them, discovered they were EBC, work really well in the rear brake, which I prefer to perform a bit softer. So Vesrah in the front and EBC is a near perfect set-up for me.

Dink
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Read all the posts and researched a bunch of the material. I just ordered Vesrah for front and rear. Thanks for all the tips folks. Will let you know how it turns out.
 
cberkeley said:
Read all the posts and researched a bunch of the material. I just ordered Vesrah for front and rear. Thanks for all the tips folks. Will let you know how it turns out.
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Best thing to keep in mind is that when you really need the brakes...it is usually in the most adverse conditions. If you can't stop, you shouldn't get started in the first place! Spend the money and ride with peace of mind. [-X :-D
 
Yup! ....I've spared no expense in restoring and customizing my bike since I embarked on the project 10-months ago. I certainly don't intend to skimp on something as important as brake pads.
 
Just changed front and rear brake pads to Vesrah Green (organic). The ones that came out were Front: Aisin and Rear: Premier and they both were only worn about half way.
The clymer manual speaks of Friction Pad Shims at the rear. I did not find any. Are these important? I went ahead and mounted the Vesrahs just as the old ones were (without shims).
Nice improvement with the Vesrah although they are not broken-in yet. Very good overall response, much more initial-bite response and much more consistent braking throughout. Rear brakes have more stopping power now as compared to the old pads.
Well worth the small investment.
 
Does anyone know the coefficient of friction for the Vesrah organic pads?

The EBC organic pads for the '79 850 were marked "GG"--just one step down from the "Double H" sintered pads the racers all love. They stop maybe a little better than the OEM pads in the OEM '79 calipers, but I wouldn't bet the farm on 'em!

Sounds like the Vesrahs might be even better. You need all the stopping power you can get with the pre-80 calipers!

Anybody know how the Vesrahs are marked?

Tomcat
 
Without the shims in place, you may get a slight squeaking when you apply the brakes. It doesnt hurt anything, so unless it particularly annoys you, I would forget about it. I dont run the "anti squeak" shims either.

Earl



cberkeley said:
Just changed front and rear brake pads to Vesrah Green (organic). The ones that came out were Front: Aisin and Rear: Premier and they both were only worn about half way.
The clymer manual speaks of Friction Pad Shims at the rear. I did not find any. Are these important? I went ahead and mounted the Vesrahs just as the old ones were (without shims).
Nice improvement with the Vesrah although they are not broken-in yet. Very good overall response, much more initial-bite response and much more consistent braking throughout. Rear brakes have more stopping power now as compared to the old pads.
Well worth the small investment.
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cberkeley said:
Just changed front and rear brake pads to Vesrah Green (organic). The ones that came out were Front: Aisin and Rear: Premier and they both were only worn about half way.
The clymer manual speaks of Friction Pad Shims at the rear. I did not find any. Are these important? I went ahead and mounted the Vesrahs just as the old ones were (without shims).
Nice improvement with the Vesrah although they are not broken-in yet. Very good overall response, much more initial-bite response and much more consistent braking throughout. Rear brakes have more stopping power now as compared to the old pads.
Well worth the small investment.
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I'm glad that you are happy with your new brake pads. Organic brake pads work very well on street bikes if you don't ride in the the rain. Organic pads have been recognized as ineffective when wet from their first use on motorcycle disc brakes. This isn't a problem on cars, which are more shielded. It's a different story with motorcycles.

The Vesrah sintered pads are the ones that work under all conditions, and work well in the rain because they generate higher heat which instantly vaporizes water on the disc. I ride in the rain, and I wouldn't use anything but sintered pads for safety considerations.
 
You are correct about the organic/sintered/rain conclusion and I agree the sintered pads have more authority when wet. However, I've used the Vesrah green pads on my 1150 for almost five years and at times in blinding, water standing on the road, hurricane conditions :-) and they still had more authority than I had traction.

My experience may not be accurate for all GS models, so I would suggest a wet braking test on the new pads.

Also, in traffic, in the rain, I habitually drape one finger over the brake lever with a slight pressure. It keeps the disks "squeegeed" off and any braking input is instantaneous. If you dont do this, there is a lag even with sintered pads.

E.



Boondocks said:
I'm glad that you are happy with your new brake pads. Organic brake pads work very well on street bikes if you don't ride in the the rain. Organic pads have been recognized as ineffective when wet from their first use on motorcycle disc brakes. This isn't a problem on cars, which are more shielded. It's a different story with motorcycles.

The Vesrah sintered pads are the ones that work under all conditions, and work well in the rain because they generate higher heat which instantly vaporizes water on the disc. I ride in the rain, and I wouldn't use anything but sintered pads for safety considerations.
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earlfor said:
You are correct about the organic/sintered/rain conclusion and I agree the sintered pads have more authority when wet. However, I've used the Vesrah green pads on my 1150 for almost five years and at times in blinding, water standing on the road, hurricane conditions :-) and they still had more authority than I had traction.

My experience may not be accurate for all GS models, so I would suggest a wet braking test on the new pads.

Also, in traffic, in the rain, I habitually drape one finger over the brake lever with a slight pressure. It keeps the disks "squeegeed" off and any braking input is instantaneous. If you dont do this, there is a lag even with sintered pads.

E.
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I don't disagree with your experience. If you ride with a slight pressure on the front brake in the rain, it will make a big difference. Organic pads will eventually stop OK in the rain once they have been applied long enough to warm up. Keeping pressure on the brake lever keeps the pad hot enough to provide a good response.

It's a matter of choice. I prefer not to ride with the brake applied when it's raining. As far as only doing it when in traffic in the rain, a rider never knows for sure when he will have to stop quickly, traffic or not. Unless you have pressure on organic pads all the time in the rain, sintered pads are safer with faster, more reliable stopping power.
 
Sort of forgot about the new Vesrah pads being on. Been out for a nice 60-mile treck this morning and on the way back I was noting to myself these new brakes are really nice .....nice and responsive, really consistent and predictable. Have not rode them in the wet yet though.
 
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