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bike is an 82 650G.

the suzuki manual i pulled off of bass cliff's site has the secondary gear mechanisms having its own lube system...requiring gear oil, draining, etc.

the clymer manual i bought has nothing in this regard. instead it seems to suggest that when changing the oil, that the secondary gear drain plug also be removed, i guess the idea being that it shares the main engine oil in the bike.

anyone?

and i presume that if i open the cover that the shift lever goes into that oil isn't going to pour out?
 
WOAH WOAH WOAH!

I had this problem and it screwed me up.

Yes, you are correct, on that model, the engine oil is shared. But when doing an oil change, you have to pull 2 drain plugs!!! Be sure to do that!!!

And yes, oil will all come out if you take that cover off.
 
Ok, on a 1000G, of the same era, there is "gear oil". Behind the cover to the rear of your stator cover on the left, by the gearshift, is another cover. Beneath that is the bolt you remove to drain the gear oil and another to fill it, BUT an 82 650 might be different.
 
ugggh...this leads to a ton of follow up questions....but i'll wait and hope for a few more responses first.
 
I think there may be a pictorial on basscliff's site of him doing it on an 850G, changing the gear oil. It will show what I'm talking about, but again a 82 MIGHT be different.
 
hahah. ok.

1. i already changed the oil WITHOUT draining the secondary plug. can i assume at least that the main engine oil circulates through there? don't really want to change the oil again yet.

2. how can i be SURE that the secondary gears share the oil? a mistake on this would seem to be a major snafu....that if i drain the secondary, put the plug back in, fill the bike with engine oil....how to know for sure that there is now oil protecting those parts?

3. if i open the cover, i am figuring that oil would NOT pour out...otherwise why would there be a drain plug in there?

i am doomed.:(
 
doctorgonzo said:
I think there may be a pictorial on basscliff's site of him doing it on an 850G, changing the gear oil. It will show what I'm talking about, but again a 82 MIGHT be different.
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doc, i think i saw the pictorial....what got me started on this current worry (i am a worrier), being a newbie, was that i was going to get some gear oil in accordance with the suzuki manual...but then the stupid clymer manual came in the mail, and now i'm wondering if this mechanical dunce is about to do something major league stupid.
 
1. If you have refilled the engine oil per spec on volume of oil, you have OVERFILLED. That is what I did. That = bad. Make sure that the level shows in your little window at the correct level.

2. You can't be sure. It just is. How do I know little leprechans are not living in my gas tank? I can't...

3. Shift lever cover? I assume this is the foot pedal; left side (when sitting on bike)? Then maybe not. I have never cracked that open. If you open the clutch side (right side when on bike), you will have oil all over your leg.

And no, you are not doomed. Why do you want under that cover anyway?
 
Skyboy8950 said:
1. If you have refilled the engine oil per spec on volume of oil, you have OVERFILLED. That is what I did. That = bad. Make sure that the level shows in your little window at the correct level.

2. You can't be sure. It just is. How do I know little leprechans are not living in my gas tank? I can't...

3. Shift lever cover? I assume this is the foot pedal; left side (when sitting on bike)? Then maybe not. I have never cracked that open. If you open the clutch side (right side when on bike), you will have oil all over your leg.

And no, you are not doomed. Why do you want under that cover anyway?
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yeah, i am not talking about the clutch cover...am talking about the cover right behind the stator cover. doesn't seem to have a gasket.

what i want under that cover is the drain plug on the secondary gear mechanism? or at least to see if the set up has a filler cap like shown in the suzuki manual and on basscliff's site? because if it has a filler cap, i'll know that i have to put gear oil in. if not, then i'll trust the shared engine oil theory. am i overthinking this?
 
boathead said:
yeah, i am not talking about the clutch cover...am talking about the cover right behind the stator cover. doesn't seem to have a gasket.

what i want under that cover is the drain plug on the secondary gear mechanism? or at least to see if the set up has a filler cap like shown in the suzuki manual and on basscliff's site? because if it has a filler cap, i'll know that i have to put gear oil in. if not, then i'll trust the shared engine oil theory. am i overthinking this?
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AAAAHA!

There is our answer. The drain is actually what's behind the cover. The filller is the big ass bolt on the engine case right above the cover. If you have that fill bolt, then it's like Bascliff's tutorial.
 
thanks fellas.

i'll take the cover off and see what i've got. i absolutely love this forum and you guys. no homo.;)
 
When I changed my secondary oil I took some tin foil and slid it up under the drain and motor to make a chute. It was on the center stand at the time so a little oil ran back and dripped down so put a rag under the bike. The foil was in my oil pan and caught most of it. Hope this helps
 
it all helps luca....part of why i am even thinking about this stuff is the shifting problems i am having. want to take a look back there where the shift lever goes.

not quite ready to look in the clutch area. have a feeling it's like pandora's box in there.
 
I know what you mean. Like the other post said if you have the big silver bolt on top and no gasket under the cover the shift lever goes threw than the drain is under that cover. I guess you ment you love us in a manly kinda way lol... I feel like an idiot I had my new o-rings on the trunk of my car in the sun
hopping to heat them up and make them easier to go on. Well you know what happened I drove off and forgot about them... I did find 1 as I had put 2 on already I am 1 short what a buffoon...
 
Hi,

Be mindful that the pictorial guides I create are for my bike, a 1980 GS850GT. Many tasks are similar for other bikes, but some are different.

While the GS850 does have separate gear oil for the secondary gears (sometimes called bezel gears), the 650 does not. It's all engine oil. Check your 650 manual for the exact procedures for that model. Look in chapter 2, page 11.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
I have recently changed the gear oils in both my 1100GZ & my 650GZ.

The 1100G has BOTH secondary & final drain/fill plugs, the 650G only had the final drain/fill plug.

I was confused as well, as I kept looking for the same secondary stuff on the 650 as I had on the 1100 - wasn't there. Go ahead & remove that little cover behind the stator, there's nothing there that looks like a drain/fill plug. I remember loosening a bolt under there, but decided it was a motor mount.

I came to the conclusion that the 650 secondary gears share the engine oil, while the final gears use the 90W hypoid oil.

Good luck,

mike
 
Don't be afraid to take a look under the covers. As has been stated the cover behind the alternator is just for show, nothing behind it. The secondary drain plug is located on the bottom of case close to the gear shifter. It can be removed without removing cover. It gets motor oil from sump, it has a journal where oil can return to sump. By not draining during oil change means a small amount of oil will not be changed out, really probably not a big deal. My secondary drain plug is magnetic, also.

As for clutch cover, put bike on side stand and remove bolts, oil will drain to side and not leak out. It pays to have a clutch cover gasket since it will likely stick. Usually not much to find there, check clutch springs for length and replace with stock if out of spec. Generally, a very cheap fix for slightly slipping clutch.

Question for you, how is your shifting now that you changed engine oil? I had been missing 2nd gear every once in a while and since oil change haven't missed yet.
 
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