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Front end 'liveliness'

  • Thread starter Thread starter Joe Garfield
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It's interesting how people say raising the back makes the bike turn faster. I just replaced the stock rear shocks with Hagons, so the rear sits up a bit higher due to the stiffer springs. It seems to me like it makes it harder to get into a lean, but hopefully it's just me getting used to the handling characteristics again.

Raising the back makes the rake steeper and reduces trail, both of which should provide lighter, faster steering. How much is a 'bit' higher? If it is only 1/4" or something you won't notice it. I have longer than stock shocks on my 1100E, close to an inch longer. They very noticeably changed the steering as I described, making it both lighter and faster. What you are really doing when you jack the back up (or lower the front by sliding the forks up in the triple clamps) is reducing the stability. On these bikes that isn't much of an issue for the most part, because they have steering geometry more suited to a locomotive than a motorcycle. Stability is not normally lacking, so giving some away isn't a problem. Someday I am going to get bored and drop the front 1/4"-3/8" just to to see what that does for the handling when combined with the longer shocks.


Mark
 
Raising the back makes the rake steeper and reduces trail, both of which should provide lighter, faster steering. How much is a 'bit' higher? If it is only 1/4" or something you won't notice it. I have longer than stock shocks on my 1100E, close to an inch longer. They very noticeably changed the steering as I described, making it both lighter and faster. What you are really doing when you jack the back up (or lower the front by sliding the forks up in the triple clamps) is reducing the stability. On these bikes that isn't much of an issue for the most part, because they have steering geometry more suited to a locomotive than a motorcycle. Stability is not normally lacking, so giving some away isn't a problem. Someday I am going to get bored and drop the front 1/4"-3/8" just to to see what that does for the handling when combined with the longer shocks.

Mark

PO on one of my bikes (83 1100E) dropped the front 1 1/2." I don't know if he cut the springs down or what. It was even lower via sliding the forks up as high as they could go but the V&H exhaust hit the ground leaning in right turns. This is a great thread. Learning a lot here.
 
Someday I am going to get bored and drop the front 1/4"-3/8" just to to see what that does for the handling when combined with the longer shocks.


Mark
I've been running GS1000 forks on my 80 850 for the past seven months or so. They're ~19mm shorter than the OEMs. Sharpened up the front nicely, and compensates for the weight of the Vetter. Using a set of what appeared to be (anonymous) aftermarket springs that were in another set of GS1000 forks I bought for the sliders, it's all a bit of a mix'nmatch, but it works. Rear is a pair of ex-HD Showa air shocks, set at around 20psi. The whole plot hustles around the bends and bumpy backroad here quite well, but the GSs always did belie their weight once on the move.
 
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