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Gs550es 5000 rpm fail

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countrycummins99 said:
carbs were stripped and cleaned three times i highly doubt there is anything left in them
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it could be plugs if they are the wrong type, or worn and tired.

you say you have cleaned the carbs but HOW? have you dipped them overnight or just squirted carb cleaner in there and blown them out?

the latter will NOT clean them properly.

are you setting the float heights correctly?
 
well

well

i will remove the fuel filter then the plugs are brand new manufactures spec gaped correctly and putting the choke on wouldn't fix the spark issue so i doubt its spark plugs. i am going to check what jets are in it tonight before i re-jet it and make it one solid fuel line from the petcock down to the carb instead of having the filter. alos the jets that are currently in it our plastic that seems a little odd?
 
The ignitors for that model GS are not very reliable. Not sure if that's the problem but maybe. The advance curve is built into the ignitor so no substitutions.
 
countrycummins99 said:
i will remove the fuel filter then the plugs are brand new manufactures spec gaped correctly and putting the choke on wouldn't fix the spark issue so i doubt its spark plugs. i am going to check what jets are in it tonight before i re-jet it and make it one solid fuel line from the petcock down to the carb instead of having the filter. alos the jets that are currently in it our plastic that seems a little odd?
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Plastic jets????? The slides look like a teflon plastic. The jet needles are snapped into a plastic cross shaped affair. But aint no plastic I can see int he jets.
 
More info.history symptoms,please.What colors were each those 4 spark plugs tips in the numbered cylinders they came out of? What about this choke operation thing you mention.How ,when,where,why are you using /applying it in this riding of motorcycle scenario.Please describe how choke usage is applied.
 
ok first

ok first

rule out the spark plugs its not the plugs i promise. Next if you are going down the road and you hit 5000 rpm with the choke all the way off it starts breaking up like its starving for fuel. at that point if you put the choke back on it richens the mixture by restricting the air flow and cures the breaking up
 
countrycummins99 said:
rule out the spark plugs its not the plugs i promise. Next if you are going down the road and you hit 5000 rpm with the choke all the way off it starts breaking up like its starving for fuel. at that point if you put the choke back on it richens the mixture by restricting the air flow and cures the breaking up
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GS carbs don't choke per say (restrict air flow) they enrichen the mixture by adding more fuel. If pulling the choke out fixes the problem then the mixture is too lean.
 
awesome

awesome

so everything im seeing points to there not being enough fuel at high rpm so its either that stupid extr fuel filter or the jets are the wrong size

Nessism said:
GS carbs don't choke per say (restrict air flow) they enrichen the mixture by adding more fuel. If pulling the choke out fixes the problem then the mixture is too lean.
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Not saying that the choke doesnt help, but I thought the enrichment valve (choke) only had any effect with the throttle closed? I was under the understanding as soon as you give it ANY throttle at all that the "choke" circuit is no longer active?? Am I way off on this or no? Also not trying to hijack but just to make sure all things are looked at from all angles rather.

Ben
 
i would say no because in cold weather you would want it to continue to work until the engine was warmed up even if you are driving it

xxBenJamminxx said:
Not saying that the choke doesnt help, but I thought the enrichment valve (choke) only had any effect with the throttle closed? I was under the understanding as soon as you give it ANY throttle at all that the "choke" circuit is no longer active?? Am I way off on this or no? Also not trying to hijack but just to make sure all things are looked at from all angles rather.

Ben
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i am going to disagree based on my experience with this bike if your going down the road and its breaking up at 5000 rpm simply switch the choke to on and the problem goes away so that says to me its adding more fuel

Agemax said:
it has no effect whatsoever above about 1/4 throttle, certainly not up around 5000rpm
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countrycummins99 said:
i am going to disagree based on my experience with this bike if your going down the road and its breaking up at 5000 rpm simply switch the choke to on and the problem goes away so that says to me its adding more fuel
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it sounds like you are adamant to disagree with everything anyone tries to tell you, so good luck on your own.
i give up trying to help with suggestions
 
not trying to disagree just simply pointing out that there is nothing in the shop manual to indicate that the starting circuit AKA fuel enrichment is somehow disabled after a certain amout of throttle it simply is not i have the manual in front of me so if you could explain to me how it is i would be more than glad to listen but so far i have seen no explaniation of how it shuts off and again im greatful for all the advice and responses im just trying to weed through what pretains to the current problem


Agemax said:
it sounds like you are adamant to disagree with everything anyone tries to tell you, so good luck on your own.
i give up trying to help with suggestions
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Hi Mr. countrycummins99,

Any modification to intake or exhaust will require jetting changes. Yes, these were lean from the factory but they ran right. Yours does sound like a fuel problem. The first thing to do is disassemble the carbs, make sure they are clean (full strip and dip if necessary), replace all of the internal O-rings, adjust the float height, make sure they are jetted properly, etc. You'll find lots more information in the links below.

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countrycummins99 said:
not trying to disagree just simply pointing out that there is nothing in the shop manual to indicate that the starting circuit AKA fuel enrichment is somehow disabled after a certain amout of throttle it simply is not i have the manual in front of me so if you could explain to me how it is i would be more than glad to listen but so far i have seen no explaniation of how it shuts off and again im greatful for all the advice and responses im just trying to weed through what pretains to the current problem
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Alas you are correct the enrichment is eternal much like the revolution is.

Since this is being a total pig for you and acts just like my bike when it runs outta gas I would start with a clean tank and step through each component till you get to throttel response in all rpm ranges.

The nasty thing about float height or presence of fuel in the bowls lies in the fact that the float drops to let in more fuel through the needle valves.

One serious bottle neck on the stock BSW30 could be the dome screen filters on the needle valves. If they be partially plugged with solid rust bits then you would be in for a fuel starvation issue as well. I pulled my seats once while cleaning because the o-rings on them had appeared to fail. I was a wee bit shocked to see how much junk had gotten past the petcock filter.

Journey of a thousand miles starting with:
The tank then the petcock then the hoses then the dome filter screen on the needle valve seats then the float height then all orifices etc clean as a whistle. ( knock out the needle jets with a dowel and behold the crud in the tube they occupy as well as the clogs in the pin holes that must be perfectly clean to allow properly metered fuel to pass the jet needles when on the main circuit.

This and many other run on sentences will set you free.
 
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