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I Think I Found My Oil Leak :( - FIXED!!!

  • Thread starter Thread starter Hoomgar
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Hap Call said:
I really hope I'm wrong about this but I think there is a "C" clip that prevents the removal of that seal without splitting the case. I know there is one on mine. It goes in the upper crankcase half.


Hap
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There is Hap. But the lower case half is cut away to allow the installation and removal of the seal without splitting the case. I ordered the retainer too.

I have been informed from a good source that this not only can be done without splitting the cases but that it is easy too.

That said, people can be wrong. So in the event it cannot be done that way then it will just have to leak and wait. I'll do it when I restore this bike.

That's right, I am going to do a frame up restoration on this bike too :)

Once the first one is done. This one I am doing myself!

I already have all the needed gaskets, seals and o-rings for the entire engine. But no hurry on that. Maybe next year. We'll see.
 
I'm really not sure why Suzuki elected to put the "C" clip there. There is not one on the crank seal behind the ignition advance governor. That one I've changed without splitting the case.

I hope it works out well for you!

Hap
 
From what I've seen, it wouldn't surprise me if it was the dealer shop! :roll:
 
Ooops! That's the thing with used bikes, you have to deal with other people's buffoonery, as you put it. :? After owning my 750 for 14 years and knowining every nut and bolt, it was a bit of a shock when I started working on my '83 1100. Found a few head scratchers on that one! Luckily my '82 wasn't too badly hacked. 8)
 
I can't believe I didn't see what sprocket was propped on!

I can't believe I didn't see what sprocket was propped on!

Usually I notice stuff like this RIGHT AWAY! I'm glad you had no murderous thoughts; maybe the ammo supporting the sprocket was just a Freudian slip! I've seen you when you get mad, so I hope for your sake ( to avoid a jail term) and the moron who "worked" on your bike that you never meet whatever ham-handed, all -thumbs monkey did this. As much as sometimes my 750 doesn't have all the punch of a literbike, I've known it since it was new, so I stick with it.
 
feelergaugephil said:
it looks like the guy I bought my GS1000 from worked on your bike too!
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Looks like we have a rogue "mechanic" working on suzukis just before they are sold. my "creampuff" GS850 has apparently also been worked on at some time by Hoomies mechanic.

I did get a chuckle out of your rant though. kinda like spending 100 bucks on a wrecker to find out the last guy that owned the car didnt tighten a screw in the rotor button. DOH!
 
LW_Icarus said:
feelergaugephil said:
it looks like the guy I bought my GS1000 from worked on your bike too!
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Looks like we have a rogue "mechanic" working on suzukis just before they are sold. my "creampuff" GS850 has apparently also been worked on at some time by Hoomies mechanic.

I did get a chuckle out of your rant though. kinda like spending 100 bucks on a wrecker to find out the last guy that owned the car didnt tighten a screw in the rotor button. DOH!
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I bet every one is taking there bikes to the guy that trained a the bike shop mechanic in my town. that guy can take a purfectly working bike and turn it into scrap. just by changing the fuel filter.
 
One piece of advice Hoom. Don't mention gas soaked rags & fire when ranting about your GS woes. Kinda freaks people out :? They just don't understand us "high strung" boys.
 
LOL! You guys are great :lol:
No I don't feel like killing anyone. Just edjucating them :wink:

Well the sealer quick fix idea worked as well as a tuna sandwitch would have. It leaks just the same as ever. When my seal comes in, I will try to install it. If this cannot be done without splitting the cases as some have warned then it will be going on the southern rally ride with the auto chain luber still installed. I just can't park it in any nice driveways :roll:
 
Sorry for the late reply Mark.

Is your seal still in one piece, no holes? make sure you have the o-ring behind the sprocket spacer that's between the bearing, if that's missing it will allow oil to leak around the output shaft too. You could try and turn the sprocket spacer around so the seal will be touching some new metal.

That bearing half ring is going to be a small problem.

If you have some tools you could try this, drill a small hole 1/8"near the edge of the bearing half ring just enough to go through but not touch the bearing behind it. Then with a punch knock it out without breaking the groove off the case. Once out you drill two small holes 180 degrees apart and install sheet metal screws into the oil seal, again don't touch the bearing behind it. With pliers grab the screws and work the seal out. Grease up the flange area and tap a new seal back in, this will take some time and a few trys. You should be able to re-use the half ring and tap it back in the groove with some lock-tight.

The main thing is to limit the damage to the half ring and seal.

Double check that o-ring on the output shaft, maybe that's the cause.

Like I said it's a SPITA but it worked on my 750

Jake's .02 cents
 
Thanks Jake. I think the o-ring is toast. I ordered all new seal, o-ring, c-clip the whole works.

The seal that is in it now is completely toasted. it has no rubber left at all. only the bare metal plate. I thought about doing what you said to remove it but was very leary as I didn't know for sure yet or not if you can put a new seal in without splitting the cases. I knew that if I pulled the seal out and could not get a new one in that way that the engine would now have to come apart. I plan on taking this bike to the southern rally in one week so that is out.

Maybe if I am lucky just a new o-ring will stop it or slow it down a bit at a minimum?

As soon as the seal gets here, I'll look at all of that. I'll turn that spacer around too just to be sure.

Thx man :)

One more question, have you ever replaced this seal this way yourself? Without splitting the cases?
 
I was able to install the seal without splitting the case's.

A few things i did see was the edge of the seal would get scrapped off alittle while it was being driven back on with a big socket. You'll need something alittle smaller then the size of the seal to nock it back in. I should of filed down the lip of the case edge around the seal alittle to help it get started. Then I ran some sealant around the edge just in case.

There's no guarantee that it won't leak but it was worth the chance since it only costed me a new seal as compared to splitting the case's.

Jake
 
You need a Harley Diaper! :lol: :lol:

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Hoomgar said:
LOL! You guys are great :lol:
No I don't feel like killing anyone. Just edjucating them :wink:

Well the sealer quick fix idea worked as well as a tuna sandwitch would have. It leaks just the same as ever. When my seal comes in, I will try to install it. If this cannot be done without splitting the cases as some have warned then it will be going on the southern rally ride with the auto chain luber still installed. I just can't park it in any nice driveways :roll:
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Jammin! Well that is what I needed to hear. I have a benefit too.
I now have you telling me you've done it, plus I have a 38 year vet mechanic
that already assured me it can be done plus said mechanic has offered
for me to come out to the shop, put it on the lift and he will help me pop
it in for free. I just wanted to hear of at least one person who has done
so that I could get a "been there done that" reassurance before pulling old leaky.


Thx again Jake :)


If all else fails, I get a pack of those HD diapers :lol:
 
RacingJake said:
... I should of filed down the lip of the case edge around the seal alittle to help it get started....

Jake
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Jake makes a very good point here, chamfer the edge all the way around and it will go in much easer. I had to do that on my front seal and it worked great. I used a piece of thick wall pipe that had been cut straight across that was very close to the diameter of the seal to drive it in. I've had no leaks since I did that.

Hap
 
Awesome! Thx Hap. We have a socket that is the perfect size. I'll use the roto tool with a soft tip to take the edge off first and then hopefully she will just POP right in :wink:


I sure hope so 8-[
 
Hoomgar said:
Jammin! Well that is what I needed to hear. I have a benefit too.
I now have you telling me you've done it, plus I have a 38 year vet mechanic
that already assured me it can be done plus said mechanic has offered
for me to come out to the shop, put it on the lift and he will help me pop
it in for free. I just wanted to hear of at least one person who has done
so that I could get a "been there done that" reassurance before pulling old leaky.


Thx again Jake :)


If all else fails, I get a pack of those HD diapers :lol:
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I'm no expert but some of my great'est results have come from a hammer and a hacksaw.

Since you got a source for shop tools it should be a piece of cake.

Good Luck

And about that diaper crack ???????????
 
Tongue in cheek Jake :)

My GS is leaking oil right now worse than any HD I have ever seen :)

And where I grew up, I have seen plenty!
 
Well I ordered all the needed parts as noted above but realize that even if they ship in good time they wont be here in time for me before the rally.

So Paparo found one for me locally. o-ring, c-clip and seal. I am taking the bike out tomorrow night and Joe is going to help me get it in.

I love that guy! In a non-gay sort of way mind you :lol:

I am dialing carbs in tonight. Come on you carb guru's, send me your carb tuning mind powers so I can get it right this time!

Rock on 8)
 
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