Is a 120 ok replacement for a 110?

[Guest]

First off, a thank you to the GS forums for possibly saving my arse. I was reading a thread on tires the other day and noticed a reference to a DOY date code. Hmm, that's interesting I thought. I wonder how old my tires are. Now, the tires I have look hardly used when I got the bike so I didn't think anything about it. But, after reading that thread, I went looking for the date code and lo and behold but what did it say? The front was 250 and the rear was a 146! Yikes. If understand this correctly, I have a 13yr old front and a 7yr old rear!

Needless to say, I'm glad I checked before riding anymore on these very old tires.

So on to my question. I was going to order some Shinko 230 Tour Masters as I don't put that many miles on the 550 Kat and the pricing is great on these tires. But, I can't find a 110/90-18. They do make a 120/90-18 though. Would this be an ok replacement tire? The service manual calls for a 3.75H18 4PR. I'm looking for a budget tire that has good dry cornering performance. Not too concerned about miles.

Thanks for the input and any suggestions.

 

[Kiwi Canuck]

Tire date codes

Tire date codes

First off, a thank you to the GS forums for possibly saving my arse. I was reading a thread on tires the other day and noticed a reference to a DOY date code. Hmm, that's interesting I thought. I wonder how old my tires are. Now, the tires I have look hardly used when I got the bike so I didn't think anything about it. But, after reading that thread, I went looking for the date code and lo and behold but what did it say? The front was 250 and the rear was a 146! Yikes. If understand this correctly, I have a 13yr old front and a 7yr old rear!

Needless to say, I'm glad I checked before riding anymore on these very old tires.

So on to my question. I was going to order some Shinko 230 Tour Masters as I don't put that many miles on the 550 Kat and the pricing is great on these tires. But, I can't find a 110/90-18. They do make a 120/90-18 though. Would this be an ok replacement tire? The service manual calls for a 3.75H18 4PR. I'm looking for a budget tire that has good dry cornering performance. Not too concerned about miles.

Thanks for the input and any suggestions.

Just to confirm the age of your current tires, the front is minimum 13 years old and the rear is minimum 17 years old.
The 4 digit dates codes were introduced in 2000, if it was the start of 2000 then your front tire is week 25, of 1990 so 23 years old.

No comment on the Shinko's but have purchased Avon Road Riders for both of my GS's and like them a lot. Approx. $200 for a set.

 

[Guest]

Hmm, I took a closer look after reading your post. I should of had my glasses on the first time haha. The front is 4006 and the rear is 2509. So 7yrs and 4yrs.

What's the recommended replacement age btw?

Oh, and still looking to know if I can fit a 120 on the rear instead of a 110.

Thanks.

 

[Steve]

What's the recommended replacement age btw?

Oh, and still looking to know if I can fit a 120 on the rear instead of a 110.

How much do you know about the history of the tires? If you know the history, and are comfortable that the tires have been properly cared for, 7 years is starting to push the limit, but the 4 is still OK.

What is the width of the rim on which you are wanting to mount the 120? Look at the manufacturer's site to see if they have a recommended rim width for that size tire and compare that to what is on your bike.

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[Griffin]

I'd say putting a 120 on the back is really pushing it. For my daughter's GS450E, I purchased a 100/90-18 up front and a 110/90-18 for the rear.

I bought Shinko 712 tires. I have them on my 650E, and like them tremendously. You can get a set of them from bikebandit for about $100.

 

[Nessism]

A 120 is pushing it but acceptable. I'm using one on the same size wheel on my 1000S.

 

[Guest]

I have no idea of the history. They were on the bike when I bought it. The front is showing some slight cracking on the sidewalls. For sure I am going to replace it.

The front is a Pirelli Sport Demon on a 3.25 rim and the rear is a Shinko 712R. The rear rim is a 3.75. I don't have any information on what the 1982 550M came with from the factory.

I want sticky rubber as I like to lean with this little bike. Lot's of fun but I would not ride it for long distances. I'm looking for recommendations. My budget is $150ish for both that's why i was thinking the Shinko 230's but there's just no 110 rear.

 

[Nessism]

I have no idea of the history. They were on the bike when I bought it. The front is showing some slight cracking on the sidewalls. For sure I am going to replace it.

The front is a Pirelli Sport Demon on a 3.25 rim and the rear is a Shinko 712R. The rear rim is a 3.75. I don't have any information on what the 1982 550M came with from the factory.

I want sticky rubber as I like to lean with this little bike. Lot's of fun but I would not ride it for long distances. I'm looking for recommendations. My budget is $150ish for both that's why i was thinking the Shinko 230's but there's just no 110 rear.

The stock Suzuki wheels are 1.85" front and 2.15" rear. You sure those are the wheel sizes or the tire sizes?

 

[Guest]

Sorry, the manual states tire size. My mistake.

 

[Chuck78]

I have a 110/90/18 Shinko 230 on the front of my bike on a 2.50x18 rim, and they are fairly readily available in that size so you should be able to find one easily. http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com or http://www.chaparral-racing.com had the best prices and free shipping if I remember correctly.

I should point out that I said 2.50 rim for a 110/90. That is Shinko's recommended rim size for a 110. 2.15-2.75 rim for this tire, 2.50 being ideal. I'm pretty sure if you find that chart that I dug up on their tire specs, the 120 is going to need a minimum 2.50-3.00 rim with 2.75 being the best fit for tire tread profile and wrap. So basically on a 2.15 rim, a 110 is the biggest you can run without having unwanted sidewall flex from the tire being pinched inwards in the middle tighter than it was designed for. You can pull off a 120, it will "fit," but the results under "spirited" cornering will be less than desireable. The tire will flex and squirm and distort. Half the reason I have a motorcycle is because I love to push it hard through turns with a good lean and a spirited pace. Detracting from the cornering ability really is dangerous.

 

[Nessism]

Check Avon Motorcycle Tyres website under the GS1000S and they recommend a 120/90-18 tire on the 2.15" wheel. For the GS550, using the same size wheel, they recommend a 4.00" x 18 tire.

Standard GSR forum wisdom for GS's with a 2.5" wide wheel is to use a 130 tire. Lots of guys using this size even though most tire charts will tell you the rim is too narrow.

 

[Guest]

Thanks guys. Very Interesting. I have both for and against now. Decisions, decisions. I think I will just have to try a 120 sometime and see how it feels on my bike.

I think I found a solution however. I think I'm gonna go with Bridgestone Spitfires as they have a 110/90-18. They will cost me around $190 shipped. It's well over my budget but I think i can scrounge up the difference. Tires are important and I want to feel confident leaning hard in a corner.

My bike runs tubes. How hard is it to change your own tires and tubes? How many spoons does you guys use and do you recommend any brand over another?

 

[Griffin]

Thanks guys. Very Interesting. I have both for and against now. Decisions, decisions. I think I will just have to try a 120 sometime and see how it feels on my bike.

I think I found a solution however. I think I'm gonna go with Bridgestone Spitfires as they have a 110/90-18. They will cost me around $190 shipped. It's well over my budget but I think i can scrounge up the difference. Tires are important and I want to feel confident leaning hard in a corner.

My bike runs tubes. How hard is it to change your own tires and tubes? How many spoons does you guys use and do you recommend any brand over another?

I bought a set of Bridgestone Spitfires once. Never again.

They were ok when new, but within 2,000 miles were the evilest handling things imaginable. They made my 1000G nearly impossible to ride in the twisties, because they wouldn't predictably grip through curves.

If you're on a budget, buy some Shinko 712 or 230 tires. They're a lot less money than what you've stated for the Bridgestones, and they're much better tires. Right now you can get a set of them for your bike from Bikebandit for about $110.

 

[lurch12_2000]

Thanks guys. Very Interesting. I have both for and against now. Decisions, decisions. I think I will just have to try a 120 sometime and see how it feels on my bike.

I think I found a solution however. I think I'm gonna go with Bridgestone Spitfires as they have a 110/90-18. They will cost me around $190 shipped. It's well over my budget but I think i can scrounge up the difference. Tires are important and I want to feel confident leaning hard in a corner.

My bike runs tubes. How hard is it to change your own tires and tubes? How many spoons does you guys use and do you recommend any brand over another?

I would go with the Shinko 712 set - front 100/90-19 and rear 110/90-18 from BikeBandit total shipped to your door for $104 as someone already suggested. They work fine on corners, wet, gravel and will last you at least 8-10k miles. I've used the Spitfires on my old 1000G without issue but they are NOT a better tire, just a lot more $ IMO.
You should consider going tubeless since most first timers will probably pinch and ruin at least one tube. Pain in the butt doing the job twice after mounting and test riding to find out about the air leak from the small tear when pinched. You will have to buy some tubeless valve stems to insert but they work fine. I've gone tubeless on early 450E, 750E, 850G and 1000G rims that are not marked tubeless with no issues. Be sure and clean rim with a 3M green scrubbie thoroughly. Your call.
I use this set of tire irons below that I got free with a set of tires ordered a few years ago when MotorcycleSuperstore had a promo. I really only use two (11" and 16") irons but nice to have a 3rd just in case. Order the tubeless valve stems when you get set of tires to save shipping cost. I use a plastic milk jug cut in 3 flat ovals about 4"x2" to use as rim protectors. I use an empty clean 5 gallon drywall bucket as my tire mounting table as the brake disc will fit right in. Oh and I use a quarter cup of Murphy's oil soap with about the same amount of warm water as my bead lubricant. That is the key to easier dismount/mount of tires and seating the bead. Don't, don't , DO NOT skimp on the lubricant unless you want to waste lots of effort. Tires will also be much easier to work with inside a warm place(keep them inside above 60F before working with for at least 2 hours)rather than the cold garage because that little bit of extra pliability is a grunt saver too!!

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/4456/i/motion-pro-assorted-tire-iron-set

You may want to find a fellow forum member locally to guide you if this is your first set of tires.

 

[SCQTT]

My 1972 CT90 has the original Yokohamas & I'm pretty sure it is the original air.

I have lots of old bikes that have old tires on them. Would I take them on a 300 mile trip? No, but would I ride them 20 miles a few times a year? Sure.

Certainly I push the limits, but I do not think there is a set time limit. Lots of factors involved. Sun and exposure to chemicals are the two factors that matter most.

 

[lurch12_2000]

My 1972 CT90 has the original Yokohamas & I'm pretty sure it is the original air.

I have lots of old bikes that have old tires on them. Would I take them on a 300 mile trip? No, but would I ride them 20 miles a few times a year? Sure.

Certainly I push the limits, but I do not think there is a set time limit. Lots of factors involved. Sun and exposure to chemicals are the two factors that matter most.

Oh no. I think it's safe to say that 10+ year old tires have been exposed to enough sun and chemicals along with drying and hardening to be motivated to swap them out. Sure, I've ridden some old tires after visually inspecting them for the short term, but for $100 and 2 hours of time you can get an updated tread design, better sidewall construction and fresh pliable rubber with grip along with cleaning up the rims, to not do it. I won't scare people into changing their tires but I wouldn't tell them that's it's ok to put too many miles on 10,20, or 30 yr old tires. If it's a garage relic then fine but you know you want to push the corners and top end so.....

 

[Guest]

I ended up just getting a shinko 712 for the front to match the 712 on the back. The back is only 4yrs old and doesn't have the cracking that the front did. I plan on putting in the tube. Changed plenty before on my dirt bikes so I figure the street bike is probably about the same with just more effort? We will see

I use an empty clean 5 gallon drywall bucket as my tire mounting table as the brake disc will fit right in

Thanks for the bucket idea. I hadn't thought of that one.

If it's a garage relic then fine but you know you want to push the corners and top end so.....

Don't you know it!

And thanks for the feedback Griffin. Nixed the Bridgestone's.

 

[Big T]

My 1972 CT90 has the original Yokohamas & I'm pretty sure it is the original air.

I have lots of old bikes that have old tires on them. Would I take them on a 300 mile trip? No, but would I ride them 20 miles a few times a year? Sure.

Certainly I push the limits, but I do not think there is a set time limit. Lots of factors involved. Sun and exposure to chemicals are the two factors that matter most.

Yes, there is a time limit

Tires start off gassing the moment they pop out of the mold

What they give off is the compounds that keep the tire soft and pliable, so over time the tire is bad regardless of any sun or othere exposure

Old tires become hard, you should start changing yours out before you crash

 

[SCQTT]

I have crashed a bunch, but it has never been a tire issue. More like an issue of running out of talent and trail/road/track at the same time.

I understand tires start blooming as soon as they are made.

 

[Wingsconsin]

My 2?

My 2?

My son put over 7000 miles on a set of Spitfires on his CX500 Custom in 2012. He never had any slipping problems of any kind and they looked pretty good still when he sold that bike. I did train him to be a stickler about tire pressures and checking them everytime before he goes out for a ride.

I had the Shinko Tourmaster 230s on the GS650 I sold in spring.
Although I only put on a few hundred miles before I sold the bike. I really liked the tires.

The Shinko are so cheap you could change them every year even if they arn't used up...