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No 1 Cylinder not getting warm

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chuck hahn said:
So your part about the smoke goes away after a good drive...but just maybe theres a slight hint still visible.....well that tells me the valve stem seals are giving up the ghost. May as well do the complete head refresh and get that over with while youve got the head off to do the seals. Heres what youll see if you look inside the spark plug caps with a flashlight..unscrew that slotted brass thing in there and remove the ceramic resistors and replace them with copper or brass rod cut to the same approximate length. NOTE::: 1 and 4 DO NOT have a spring in the caps, but 2 and 3 DO. When reassembling them, put the springs in first, then the brass replacement rod, and then screw in the brass thing. resisitors are almost 95% overlooked when it comes to spark and cylinder loss issues!!!!


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You know that's what I was thinking, valve seals, especially since he said blue smoke (oil) on start up and when it warmed up it would go away.
As far as what to put in those caps, find a screw or nail the same diameter or smaller than those resistors and cut it to length. Copper would be ideal because it's a good conductor, easy to work with, soft. All that would be needed would be a piece of copper electrical wire cut to length.
 
sedelen said:
You know that's what I was thinking, valve seals, especially since he said blue smoke (oil) on start up and when it warmed up it would go away.
As far as what to put in those caps, find a screw or nail the same diameter or smaller than those resistors and cut it to length. Copper would be ideal because it's a good conductor, easy to work with, soft. All that would be needed would be a piece of copper electrical wire cut to length.
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Thanks for the tip.. Odd now I just want out and started it and the no 3 and no 4 cylinders are ice cold. Last night it was just no 4.. Could it be electrical? Some thing odd is going on, the cold cylinders are playing musical chairs..

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Scott..
 
I prefer something with a bit more backbone than house wire...that way when you tighten the cap thing back in and it squeezes down , the piece of rod stays more rigid and ensures better contact on the wire and the cap ends..
 
chuck hahn said:
I prefer something with a bit more backbone than house wire...that way when you tighten the cap thing back in and it squeezes down , the piece of rod stays more rigid and ensures better contact on the wire and the cap ends..
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Yea, I was thinking the same thing. Also I am sure I will find something at the hardware store today. I have some things to do this morning but later I am going to have another go at it. I need to let the battery charge.. It ran out of juice last time I started it even tho it started it only had a crank or two left.. Not sure what it takes for the bike to charge it, I am hoping because I did a lot of starting/idling that the bike could not charge it fast enough.

TTYS,
Scott..
 
Yes thats a problem....uses way more power in a few minutes than the bike can recover from very quickly. Youre doing the right thing by keeping a tender or auto shut off charger to her. Also dont forget to check the fluid level in the battery( if its not a sealed battery) and add some distilled water if needed.
 
chuck hahn said:
Yes thats a problem....uses way more power in a few minutes than the bike can recover from very quickly. Youre doing the right thing by keeping a tender or auto shut off charger to her. Also dont forget to check the fluid level in the battery( if its not a sealed battery) and add some distilled water if needed.
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Thanks Chuck, it is a sealed battery one I bought about a year ago, I do have my car charger on it set at 2 amps and it is supposed to shut off when the battery is charged.

I spent the better part of today on it and I am really at a point where I may just sell her as is. I clearly don't have what it takes to fix it and I don't have the funds to take it some place. Too bad cause I really loved riding it. I have a feeling maybe the timing is moving, is that possible? What would be the best way to check that? Last time I tried to start it today it back fired so loud I thought my ear drums would pop.. It started after but boy it was not running well..

Scott..
 
Backfiring then starting sounds like a points and condensors issue to me. Also bad connections at the coils and harness can make the coils misfire ( or not fire at all ) at times. Clean the connections and check the points gaps to start with. When it did start, how was the idle and throttle resonse?? I am about 99.5% the problem is electrical and not in the carbs. Bad harness grounds are a rascal too..clean them too.
 
chuck hahn said:
Backfiring then starting sounds like a points and condensors issue to me. Also bad connections at the coils and harness can make the coils misfire ( or not fire at all ) at times. Clean the connections and check the points gaps to start with. When it did start, how was the idle and throttle resonse?? I am about 99.5% the problem is electrical and not in the carbs. Bad harness grounds are a rascal too..clean them too.
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Well it does not have points. This model is electronic. The connections to the coils seem good, clean no dirt etc. I have not checked the grounds or the harness to be fair. I have the tank off at the moment may be worth some time to go over it.

It started ok, once it started. With the choke all the way closed, it would idle at 1k (I did have it set at 1,200 before) and the response was sluggish.. not really bad, just noticeable. Actually better then one would expect given its only running on 2 cylinders.

TTYS,
Scott..
 
Gotta be someone in the area that can come by and help...if i was close i would be there in the morning...much easier with it right in front of you to see and hear what its acting like. Dont sell it off just yet!!! Send out an SOS help call first.
 
chuck hahn said:
Gotta be someone in the area that can come by and help...if i was close i would be there in the morning...much easier with it right in front of you to see and hear what its acting like. Dont sell it off just yet!!! Send out an SOS help call first.
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Well there is one more thing I can do. There is this guy in Florida that posts youtube videos on repairing bikes. I have asked for help before he has been good about replying and seems to know his stuff and does not mind helping. The problem with getting some one from around here to stop by and help they would have to be willing to help for beer and a good dinner or lunch as we only have my income and I just don't have any spare cash with 2 kids in collage and another on the way its all we can do to keep the lights on. I think maybe I will post a SOS posting and see if such a person exists. The other problem is if its going to be costly to fix, I maybe in the same boat. I have trolled these forums and others looking for any answers and so far have not found anything other than maybe the timing..

TTYS,
Scott..
 
I think youll find a member here will be more than satisfied with some cold buds and few brats....thats the way we roll around here for the most part. Start asking and youll recieve.
 
chuck hahn said:
I think youll find a member here will be more than satisfied with some cold buds and few brats....thats the way we roll around here for the most part. Start asking and youll recieve.
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Yeah, GSR folks look out for one another for the love of GS not for money.

If you were closer to Chicago, I'd come help for nothing.

We are like a grizzled old biker gang, but on the internets and with nicer bikes.
 
Thanks guys. Once I figure out how to word it I will post a SOS.. What would be the best thread to do that in do you think?

Yea, I live in S.E. Wisconsin (West Kenosha) so its a solid hour or better from Chicago. My daughter lives down there and we went to Mods vs Rockers this year.. Quite fun.. I did not get up to Milwaukee for Rockerbox but I know a few that did and really enjoyed it.

TTYS,
Scott..
 
Since its a combo of electrical and ( MAYBE ) fuel, but i suspect more electrical anything I would just start a new thread right here...nothing ventured nothing gained.
 
chuck hahn said:
Since its a combo of electrical and ( MAYBE ) fuel, but i suspect more electrical anything I would just start a new thread right here...nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Good point chuck. I will do that tomorrow as I am at work right now and for the next 8
hours or so..

Have a good weekend.

Scott...
 
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