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Non political gun question

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A bit off the subject, but your question brings to mind another question. I was not aware a concealed carry permit was required to carry a gun in woods.
 
Boriqua said:
If you have a Concealed carry permit ... How are you carrying when out riding? AZ has very liberal gun laws to include open carry but I prefer concealed. I have been thinking about something like this

https://www.itstactical.com/gearcom...r-kit-bag-concealed-carry-in-the-backcountry/

So are you carrying crossdraw, strongside, thumb break leather or kydex. I just feel like kydex doesnt have the retention for riding that inspires confidence.
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Pocket holster zipped into the thigh pocket of my riding pants. Don't want a lump of metal anywhere near my ribs, kidneys, spine, etc, if I come off the bike.
 
earlfor said:
A bit off the subject, but your question brings to mind another question. I was not aware a concealed carry permit was required to carry a gun in woods.
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Some of the state parks here had signs that you had to have a CCW to carry in the park but I am not sure that meant you had to carry concealed. Now I am curious. I dont know about national parks though. We also have a ton of BLM land where you are not only free to carry but shoot.

Batfaam .. good point I stupidly didnt think of.
 
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I carry in an inside-the-waistband holster behind my right hip, or in a pocket holster in a front pocket. (That's less comfortable and less accessible, but necessary to keep it concealed when I go to work.) I've thought about installing a holster inside the front of my mesh jacket but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
 
My smallest gun is a CZ Compact so pocket carry wont work but I may make a square belt bag with a fitted interior and snap flap worn on my right so it doesnt scream gun.
 
ddaniels said:
Do you mean for hunting with a shot gun? That would be really strange.
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I'm puzzled as to what the intent of the requirement is. If a concealed carry permit is required for a fire arm in the woods, then that would be any gun. Does requiring a permit for conceal carry mean any firearm must be concealed, or none need be, but the permit is required for possession. Does a permit only apply to specific weapons?
 
earlfor said:
A bit off the subject, but your question brings to mind another question. I was not aware a concealed carry permit was required to carry a gun in woods.
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Concealed carry permits usually only apply to handguns. So most hunting arms (rifles and shotguns) don't require a permit. Some states allow hunting with handguns, but I can't see them requiring a hunter to carry it concealed.

New York state requires a permit just to own a handgun, but there are different types of permits. You can get a Target & Hunting permit which allows you to carry a handgun openly at a shooting range or while hunting. (It has to be kept unloaded in a case elsewhere.) Or you can get a concealed carry permit which lets you carry the handgun loaded for self defense but it has to be out of sight. I believe you can also carry it openly for hunting, like with the T&H permit.

Boriqua said:
Some of the state parks here had signs that you had to have a CCW to carry in the park but I am not sure that meant you had to carry concealed. Now I am curious. I dont know about national parks though. We also have a ton of BLM land where you are not only free to carry but shoot.
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I took a quick look at Arizona's state park rules and there's a provision where a park ranger may ask a visitor who has a firearm to leave, or else leave the firearm in the care of the rangers until the visitor is ready to leave, if the ranger thinks the visitor poses a threat. I think that's probably as much to help prevent other visitors from becomong upset at the sight of a gun as it is to keep people from getting shot. But if someone with a concealed carry permit keeps their gun out of sight like they're supposed to, no harm, no foul.

National parks allow carrying of firearms subject to the laws of the state in which the park lies.
 
earlfor said:
I'm puzzled as to what the intent of the requirement is. If a concealed carry permit is required for a fire arm in the woods, then that would be any gun. Does requiring a permit for conceal carry mean any firearm must be concealed, or none need be, but the permit is required for possession. Does a permit only apply to specific weapons?
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I can speak for Ohio on carrying a firearm. There is no permit required to carry. If you want to carry concealed then a permit is required and that is for handguns. A loaded rifle in the car is considered concealed and therefore illegal.
 
No requirement for carrying in AZ, but I have never carried around town. I take a pistol when I go camping or trekking deep into the mountains, which means only every couple of months, as most of my hikes are <10 miles. I never carry while riding-either bicycles or motorcycles. If I take up bikepacking, that may change. I don't carry concealed when I carry.
 
I have a cc permit but don't often use it. As for oc, I never understood it for use around town (some locations do not allow it). I consider oc foolish as it can be quite easily taken from you and then used against you. If you don't think anyone can get it, then you obviously are overestimating you ability to withstand a blind attack.
 
Im with GS1150 pilot. AZ is very open on its laws. you can open or Conceal without a specific CCW license. I do conceal carry everyday whether I am on my bike, or in the car. I use an IWB holster, and unless your looking for it, you would never see it.
 
Wow, I'm in the United Kingdom ... this whole thread is a real eye opener.
 
eddypeck said:
Wow, I'm in the United Kingdom ... this whole thread is a real eye opener.
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In what way? Just curious. I realize there is a gun problem in the U.S. However, it is not and never has been due to those that have a legal carry permit.
 
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I just found it strange and almost educational to see a conversation talking about guns as such a normal every day part of life. Even the police don't carry here, not generally anyway, although recent years has seen an increase in armed officers.

It's not a negative statement, so hope it wasn't seen as such. It's actually the opposite to see a bunch of guys just talking about guns, permits and carrying them without the mystique surrounding the whole subject. It normalizes the subject and shows it can be discussed with respect and understanding for the responsibility that comes with ownership.

It's nothing I've come across before we only get the propaganda stories on telly or in the papers. We get 'undercover' documentaries into gun crime etc, or the cop or crime shows and that's basically where our perception of guns in America comes from.

As for the particular permits, I also always find it hard to comprehend how you manage to have different laws in different states. I've never been to the US so I don't think I really appreciate the size of it as a place.

The UK is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - like 4 countries making one bigger country. You could say these are our States, although laws across them all are pretty much the same (very few regional variations). And I use "bigger" very loosely, I've just Googled and the UK in it's entirety is about a third the size of Texas... and half the size of California. So I'm feeling very 'small' and insignificant now coming from my tiny island!
 
^^^ Very interesting perspective from the UK ^^^ In itself very educational as well...
 
Eddy, I envy you a gun-free nation. Having spent five years in various law enforcement roles, guns became part of my daily life, and, when I left such work-though I turned in all three of my issue weapons (Glock 21, AR-15 and Remington 870), I ended up having a gun from then on. I don't carry around town, and I really dislike the change in laws that allows guns to come into bars and restaurants that serve alcohol, but when I am out in the boondocks, I carry openly. I've run into mountain lions and bears (never with any real worry), but the bigger concern I have is with human idiots out there.
 
eddypeck said:
It's nothing I've come across before we only get the propaganda stories on telly or in the papers. We get 'undercover' documentaries into gun crime etc, or the cop or crime shows and that's basically where our perception of guns in America comes from.
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That's where a lot of Americans get their perception of guns and gun owners too - crime dramas and news articles written by reporters with no knowledge of how guns work or why a "law abiding" citizen would own one. It makes things difficult when those of us who understand guns, their correct use, and the laws governing them try to have a reasonable discussion about them with the general public. The assumption is that the only reason to own a gun is to commit a crime. (In fact, I own a gun to defend myself from anyone who intends to commit a violent crime on me. I work in a rough neighborhood. But not everyone understands that reasoning.)

As for the particular permits, I also always find it hard to comprehend how you manage to have different laws in different states. I've never been to the US so I don't think I really appreciate the size of it as a place.
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We have an odd history. The U.S. was created from thirteen original British colonies, each having its own governor appointed by the Crown. Some colonies were founded directly by the government of England for (usually) economic purposes, to commercially exploit certain resources. Other colonies were land grants as payments to creditors to the Crown. (Pennsylvania is a good example. William Penn, a Quaker and the son of a man to whom King Charles II owed money, was granted land in the New World as payment for the debt. It also got Penn, a proponent of democracy, out of the King's hair.)

When revolutionaries in the colonies proposed to split from England to create their own nation, the governors and general assemblies of the colonies did not want to give up their sovereignty. Otherwise they'd just be trading an uncaring government in England for an uncaring government in North America. Each colony had its own needs and goals: those in the South were primarily agricultural (growing tobacco and cotton) while those of the Mid-Atlantic and New England regions were industrial, or engaged in harvesting natural resources like timber, or in shipping and trade. So the early government of the U.S. had to be careful to allow individual states to retain many rights and responsibilities that would normally be handled at the federal level in England, or in Commonwealth nations like Canada.

It's a little bit like the Euriopean Union. They try to present a common face to the world, but each member nation has its own needs, goals, and attitudes.

The UK is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - like 4 countries making one bigger country. You could say these are our States, although laws across them all are pretty much the same (very few regional variations). And I use "bigger" very loosely, I've just Googled and the UK in it's entirety is about a third the size of Texas... and half the size of California. So I'm feeling very 'small' and insignificant now coming from my tiny island!
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There's a saying, "In Europe 200 miles is a long way, and in America 200 years is a long time." For me to drive from my home in New York to visit my family in Ohio takes about eight hours. That's about an hour more than it takes to drive from London to Edinburgh. And I only have to cross one other state (Pennsylvania) to do it. So yes, things are big and spread out here. I think that contributes to the differences in attitudes about laws. Large population centers (the Northeast, Southern California, and Chicago) tend to have more crime and thus stricter laws, while the wide open spaces in between are more relaxed.
 
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