not running in left cylinder

[mk2gti]

hey there, i got an old gs 425, bike has sat for 6 months, had varnish in carbs, cleaned it all up completely. bike is not putting gas in the left cylinder, carbs are getting gas into bottom of bowls. when bike is running it will smoke out the right exhaust only and not the left. when i put my hand over the left carb(not working cyl) to choke it it seems to pull gas in then and smoke goes out both mufflers. when i rev it it pops and backfires out the left cylinder (not working cyl) and will shoot a flame out the exhaust. bike wont idle. any helps is appriciatted

 

[mike_of_bbg]

When you say, "cleaned it up completely", does that mean you totally disassembled all parts of the carbs and soaked the metal bits at least overnight (better 24 hours) in carb dip? If the answer is no, you're likely to get a whole lot of people telling you to do so. Including me.

 

[mk2gti]

i didnt have them soaking in a bowl of cleaner but i covered them in a can of spray carb cleaner and let them soak in that for a few hours,

 

[Guest]

Yes soak them

Yes soak them

There is a site on here that shows you in detail how to clean those carb's right. And even get new O- rings for them. Try Basscliff's site many questions will be ansewered . If those are CV carbs they will never work without the air box and filter. No air leaks, they are very picky.

 

[mk2gti]

alright ill check the website out. tomorrow im going to try cleaning and soaking them one more time, it seems like its getting gas in that cylinder to make it backfire and pop but not enough to run correctly.

 

[Guest]

A Gallon can

A Gallon can

Get a gallon can of carb. cleaner at Auto parts store. It comes with a basket inside to put the parts in to submurge. Do not put in rubber or plastic parts. Just take both carbs, apart and follow cleaning directions. Per web site. It will most likely save headaches down the road. Plus you will know whats up with them. I would say don't mix the parts. do each separately. There are guys smarter than me here to help you. Do not be afraid they have never told me wrong.

 

[BassCliff]

Greetings and Salutations!!

Greetings and Salutations!!

Hi Mr. mk2gti,

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[mk2gti]

tight intake valve is on the list of ideas now, dont really expect it to be it since when i choke the carb on the non working site with my hand i feel air getting sucked in. im going to clean the carbs again. bass cliff, i was on your site and all your links were not working.

 

[chuck hahn]

What bike? Year? Original coils and wires? Just went thru this last night Was a bad resistor in the wire. Pull off the wire and look down inside the boot to see if theres a brass looking thingy with a screwdriver slot in it.. If so thats a resistor wire.. Remove that brass plug thingy and carefully dump the contents into your hand the porcellan thing is the offending resistor. Switch it with one in a working cylinder and see if that reverese the problem....if so get yourself some spare resistors and keep a few onhand. And you will notice that there are two different lenght wires also. the long stemmed ones go to the two inboard cylinders and the short go to the two outboard cylinders. The two LONG stems have a spring that holds the resistor in contact with the top of the plug when it is on the plug itself..the short stemmed ones do not require this spring. when you reassemble the boot put the spring in first ( IF REQUIRED ) then the resistor, then screw the plug thing back in...

 

[mk2gti]

its a gs425, 79. its a twin. i dont think it would be a bad resister in the wire, if i turn the bike over with no wire on the plug the plug is still dry, no gas. thanks alot tho for your input

 

[chuck hahn]

didnt know it was a twin...my bikes are all inline 4s.. but hey what the heck maybe someone will read my experience and benefit.. thats what its all about..I just went on bikebandit to SEE what the coils and wires looked like.Un fortunately the schematic didnt show the boots and if there were resistors or not.. seems i am learning a lot tonoght about tire codes and twins,,LOL

 

[mk2gti]

cleaned the carbs again, let them soak over night, i am certain that it is clean. i wanted to check if there was suction. i put my hand over the carb to choke it and it seems to pull gas through and makes the exhaust smoke like the other one thats working. put it seems like there is less suction in that carb then the carb on the working side. tight intake valve? any suggestions?

 

[Einstein]

When you put your hand over the carb, it fires, so forget the ignition.. it's working.
also, as it sucks fuel in when "choking" the valves arn't the problem either.

It is going to be a blockage in the jets, but could also be a leaking diapragm..


John

 

[mk2gti]

leaking diaphram, top part to the carbs? any way to check if they are bad? i just thought that since it will pull gas through when you choke it by hand then there was no blockages. thanks

 

[Einstein]

Lift the piston (in carb) with a finger, it should have some resistance, and also go down again smoothly, but gradual, not slam down.

There are a few jets in the carbs, but basically theres an idle jet for when it's... well, Idling !!
A main jet, from anywhere above idle.. and a needle jet, varies by the piston, and vacuum from the engine. You need to check these, and carefully clean them out with a bristle from a nylon brush, as it is less likely to damage them.

You never actually said whether it fires if you rev the engine up... it may just be the pilot jet (idle jet) that is blocked..

I doubt the float is bad, as that usually floods the carb... but the float height could be wrong..



John

 

[850 Combat]

It still sounds like a clogged pilot jet. If you have not taken the jets off and looked through them, you are cannot be certain that they are clean.

In my personal experience, soaking them alone is not enough. The hole in the pilot jet is tina and can clog very tightly with hard deposits.

I usually run a single strand of copper wire through the pilot jet to make sure that they are cleaned out. This practice is not recommended by some experts, on the premis that it may damage the jets, but I think that is bull and do it any way.

 

[Einstein]

Hence why I said use a nylon bristle... it won't damage the jets.


John

 

[850 Combat]

Hence why I said use a nylon bristle... it won't damage the jets.


John

I agree, it won't. But neither does a strand of copper, wire in my experience.

We are in full agreement on what the bikes problem is. Its the usual problem, with the normal symptoms.

 

[Einstein]

I totally agree with you, but just being on the safe side, and it's what most publications would recommend... probably just to cover themselves in case some idiot tried forcing a single 1mm strand though the main jet..

 

[mk2gti]

thanks for all the input fellas, i tried it again and its still running the same, no smoke out the left exhaust, and pops and shoots fire out exhaust. but you guys could be on to something because i was expecting it to be hesitant when i rev it but it seems to rev up quick. but backfires the odd time revving down. i am young and new to carbs so im not very smart with them yet. i took the jets out in the bowl and can see through them clean, all other holes when sprayed with carb cleaner are clean, the one I couldnt quiet tell if it was perfect was the one that goes from the bowl, to the barrel with with butterfly (bad at explaining). it has a bunch of pinholes in it and its spring loaded. the top diaphrams seem fine when i lift the piston it does exactly as you say,