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pods,filters,and then

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okay i have read numerous articals online each one saying something a little different so, here goes.

i know the air box with filters is nice and pods are better in certain cases but, i live in ny which is very moist and wont last and potentially do damage to my bike. so are there any alternatives? i do plan on doing 2x 2-1 carbs later as well. and ideas?
 
Hi,

I'm not sure what you are asking. Alternatives to what? There is either the stock airbox and filter element, or individual aftermarket pod filters.

Are you saying that you are planning to replace the stock 4-carb rack with the "siamese" carbs? Does the intake port spacing allow that?

Note that just about any change to intake or exhaust will require jetting changes in the carbs. Even removing the airbox cover can cause a "lean" condition that may require jetting changes. That article is not authoritative and is not written for GS bikes.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
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i adk a lot of dumb questions but i know there are pods and stock air box

1. Is there other alternatives to the above mention pods and box?
2. Can a bike run well without a air box or with mesh stype replacement?
 
you could drape a sock over the carbs intake

but you will have to tune them, and hopefully you will get the bike to run

it's really your choice on what you want to use or not use, but you will need to tune the bike in....based on your application

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I'm looking for the cleanest easiest lol might not be possible i was leaning towards pods just for the clean look and simple design but worried about moister
 
The cleanest and easiest by far is to buy a modern fuel injected bike. Next best is the stock air box you have now.
 
the reason im asking is that on the tv they had a bike with a circular air filter and mesh around like the hot rods. i know they havr million dollar builds but wanted to know if that is possible
 
Are you after a certain custom look, or do you want something that works well?
A custom built aluminum or carbon fiber air box could look great and work very well if it was designed right. Sounds like a lot of work to me.
 
trying to have a simple motorcycle with a good performance, and i guess the easiest mateince
 
if you dont mind why? why not pods? (just being devil's advocate)
 
Hi,

If you have an unlimited budget and excellent design and fabrication skills, anything is possible.

You actually don't even need an air filter at all. Race bikes use "velocity stacks" which are basically just tubes that draw the air into the carbs. However, as stated earlier, jetting changes are a must. And the chances of sucking dirt and debris into your engine is very high.

Before any modifications, it's always "best practice" to get your bike running well in its stock configuration. Then you have a baseline from which to modify the intake or exhaust and configure the carbs as necessary. To gather some background information, just search the forum (titles only) for "pods", "jetting", "jets", etc, and read up on all of the changes necessary once you start modifying the intake and exhaust.

Here is some related information gathered on my little website:

For CV Carb jetting, see the very informative article at Factory Pro. Also see the carb jetting tips at Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.

Mikuni Motorcycle Carburetor Theory 101 - from Ian Williams Tuning


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
It will take a lot of effort to jet and tune the carburetors to run well without the air box. If you don't have a very good idea how to do this, and if you are not wiling to spend a lot of time learning, it will likely never run perfectly again. You have to clean and oil the pods very often to keep them filtering well. Crosswinds and rain can have a detrimental effect on the engine's operation. The intake noise will get a lot louder, it gets old after a while. No matter how well you tune it, you will lose some bottom end and mid range grunt, and some fuel efficiency. Dirt gets through the pods into the engine, it will wear out quicker.

Some folks like them, but after having used them quite a bit, I wouldn't use them on a daily driver type bike anymore. It's just a pain in the ass compared to the stock setup.
 
Get it running right with the stock setup before you start changing anything, then you have a solid baseline to work from. I have pods on my bike, wet weather does not affect them. I wouldn't have put them on if I had known better at the time, and no I hadn't addressed any other issues either, so I did a lot of tail chasing before I got everything dialed in correctly. From a looks perspective, it is not worth it, and for performance, you will gain a little on the top end, but loose performance where it really counts in the low end driving range. Once you have it running right, then is the time to think about making changes if you still want to.
 
Moisture isn't really an issue. If ridden regularly the internals are so impregnated with oil rust is rarely a factor. However, pods allow a LOT more air in, and as such, more fuel (meaning re-jetting the carbs) is required or you'll not only have a poor running bike, but if left that way you'll soon torch the motor. A lean (high air content mixture) burns very hot, and too much heat will cook valves, and possibly pistons. If you want a look, it'll cost you time, effort and some well invested learning on jetting. The stock airbox is the quickest route to having it run well.
 
You can do all kinds of things to give the bike a one-off look. It DOES take a little thinking, some time and effort, and a few bucks.

Diamond plate is for the less qualified. ;)
 
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