smoked on the first run!!!

[DMPLATT]

Well, after a little coaching and coaxing :lol: from Scotty on saturday I did it (a little bit). I was at a stop light and this big fatboy HD looking thing pulled up next to me. I starting asking him about it (I always talk to people, don't care what they are riding). He told me it was actually a 2002 1500 Kaw. It was tricked out. Straight pipes, racing rear wheel. Just a really nice bike. Well, light turned green and he hit it. As emabarassing as this is, of course I miss shift and missed 2nd. I was laughing remembering what snowbeard said.
Next light I pull up to him and told him what a sweet sounding bike it was. Light turned green and he hit it, this time I didn't miss shift. He beat me off the line, but that's it. I think I suprised him a little. Next light, same thing. Man, this 750 was screaming. Now I know what you guys (and especially Scotty) are talking about, that the power band seems to be at really high RPM's. I could hear the engine noise change, as in some serious power kicking in. This could all just be adrenaline, but I remember my Nighthawk was similar, but not at THAT high of RPM's.

I'm still not a racer, or dragster, but it's good to know it's there and it was just the timid little rider holding her back.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

By the way, I don't like riding side by side in city traffic, may be why I let him go first. :twisted: :twisted: Being the nice guy I am and all. :lol: :lol:

Dave

 

[scotty]

The infection spreads slowly :lol: :lol: :lol: Dave.

 

[Hotblack]

To my knowledge the only stock Harley that can tough a 750 is the V Rod, which can skunk it (well ridden that is). That goes for the older 2 valve 750, which I imagine sport a few ponies less than the TSCC ones. I don't know what to believe for HP ratings for my bike. I've seen anywhere from 60 (of which I'm skeptical) to 72 (of which I'm also skeptical). I'm guessing the truth lies somewhere in between. Either way it's a mondo fun ride, it has just enough bottom end to be easy to ride in most any setting, and enough top end to increase your sleeve length a size or two. Who could ask for anything more? OK so I haven't tried a 1000 yet...

 

[Anonymous]

Don't mean to burst anyone's bubble.....but I was toying around with a buddy of mine on his new 1200 Sportster. We pulled away from the light easy, then hit it...hard! I took 1st, 2nd and 3rd all the way up to 9k, and clutchless speed shifting. He was right beside me the entire time!!!!! I have an 1100 shaftie which is by no means a slouch, but that HD impressed the $hit out of me. I never expected a 1200 twin to keep up with a high revving 4. Maybe it was my bike, or maybe it was me, but it still disappointed me a bit
I have another buddy with a 1340 Fat Boy. He says that he walks away from the 1200s.
I guess what I am trying to say is: don't kid yourself, those V-twins can run up against these old standards quite well!

 

[Hotblack]

Don't mean to burst anyone's bubble.....but I was toying around with a buddy of mine on his new 1200 Sportster. We pulled away from the light easy, then hit it...hard! I took 1st, 2nd and 3rd all the way up to 9k, and clutchless speed shifting. He was right beside me the entire time!!!!! I have an 1100 shaftie which is by no means a slouch, but that HD impressed the $hit out of me. I never expected a 1200 twin to keep up with a high revving 4. Maybe it was my bike, or maybe it was me, but it still disappointed me a bit
I have another buddy with a 1340 Fat Boy. He says that he walks away from the 1200s.
I guess what I am trying to say is: don't kid yourself, those V-twins can run up against these old standards quite well!

Weeeeeeell I'm only going by road tests, not experience, but I've yet to see any numbers from any stock Harley except a V-Rod that can touch what a stock 750 can do in an all out contest of speed. I'm sure that the larger bikes are easier to accelerate with, at most revs and in most gears. But you open the 750 up and forget it. According to magazine road tests anyway. Actually comparing my 750 to my friends Shadow 1100 more or less bears this out. That thing has a good punch any time you whack the throttle, pretty much in any gear at lower revs. In a top gear roll on it will walk right away from the 750, but if I lose a couple gears and drop the hammer he's just a distand memory. When the Shadow engine is sighning off mine's just getting interested. Obviously the Big Twins (the ones that don't weigh a zillion lbs.) will have more torque, making them even more of a bear on the street, but I think the all out advantage goes to the 750. Heck the 650s and 550s are supposed to be able to post better 1/4s than a lot of cruisers twice their size.

 

[Hotblack]

I just found some numbers on the newest 1200 Sporty, and they're pretty good. I didn't reallize that it's a good bit quicker than the old one, according to Motorcycle Consumer News anyway. It boasts 68.7 hp, weighs 585 lbs., and gave them a 12.99 1/4 mile and top speed of 124 mph. Actually sounds like a very close match to the GS750 to me. The GS is a little lighter, probably explaining the slightly better 1/4 mile (12.75) but that Sportster with its new rubber mounts has to be a HELL of a fun ride! Again with the Sportster's big fat bottom end you'd have to do EVERYTHING right on the GS to edge by it, or else forget it. For me that means forget it :wink: but I still don't think it's much of a threat to a well ridden well tuned GS 1000 or 1100, which are down in the 11s. I don't think they're too shy on the bottom end either. I think the V-Rod is still a little quicker than them stock, isn't it?

Oh and MCN got a best 1/4 of 13.45 out of the Fat Boy, They got a better 13.13 from a softail. That's still enough to dive out of the way of SUVs and dump trucks, which is what it's really about, for me anyway.

 

[Hoomgar]

Don't mean to burst anyone's bubble.....but I was toying around with a buddy of mine on his new 1200 Sportster. We pulled away from the light easy, then hit it...hard! I took 1st, 2nd and 3rd all the way up to 9k, and clutchless speed shifting. He was right beside me the entire time!!!!! I have an 1100 shaftie which is by no means a slouch, but that HD impressed the $hit out of me. I never expected a 1200 twin to keep up with a high revving 4. Maybe it was my bike, or maybe it was me, but it still disappointed me a bit
I have another buddy with a 1340 Fat Boy. He says that he walks away from the 1200s.
I guess what I am trying to say is: don't kid yourself, those V-twins can run up against these old standards quite well!

1200 sporty? Yes browndog, we gotta get you a tune up
Trust me on that.

 

[Nerobro]

Lets put this all into perspective here. One of the quickest (note I did not say fastest) street cars ever released was the camaro SS. with a good driver, on a good day, they could get a 12.9 seccond 1/4. Off the top of my head I can only list a half a dozen cars faster than that. The viper, Corvette, anything BMW, and Mercades are all solidly 13 seccond cars. (If my memory holds right )

Even with my 550 pulling a low 14 seccond 1/4 would leave most cars in my dust.

 

[Hotblack]

Not many Camaro SSs could do that, either, only the top optioned ones could come anywhere near that. Actually that sounds more like COPO territory than 'normal' SS territory. The Viper, by the way, can do low 12s, even quicker than the 427 Cobra. There are some Vettes that can get down there too.

 

[earlfor]

ummm, 79 750E about 67 hp, I do believe. TSCC models, a couple more.

Earl

To my knowledge the only stock Harley that can tough a 750 is the V Rod, which can skunk it (well ridden that is). That goes for the older 2 valve 750, which I imagine sport a few ponies less than the TSCC ones. I don't know what to believe for HP ratings for my bike. I've seen anywhere from 60 (of which I'm skeptical) to 72 (of which I'm also skeptical). I'm guessing the truth lies somewhere in between.

 

[fastpakr]

Even the TSCC 750's aren't consistent from year to year. The 82's intake valve duration is a bit longer, among other things (dropped from around 12.25 to 12 flat in the 1/4 from 81 to 82).

 

[Nerobro]

Not many Camaro SSs could do that, either, only the top optioned ones could come anywhere near that. Actually that sounds more like COPO territory than 'normal' SS territory. The Viper, by the way, can do low 12s, even quicker than the 427 Cobra. There are some Vettes that can get down there too.

I'm talking the "new" camaro SS. Not the 60's ones. People have... pretty wild imaginations as to how fast the old cars were. The horsepower numbers were inflated, and well.. just look for some REAL 1/4 mile times for those old dogs. They had lots of torque, but not the horsepower. Just a note, the fastest number I could find for the new camaro ss on the net was a 13.2

Ok ok, the viper is low 12's. the 427 cobra isn't that fast because of the tires available. Not that you'd ever actually come up against a 427 cobra. But you might come up against a kitcar, that's lighter, has wider tires, and better suspention than the original. I wouldn't race one ;-) In anything short of a hayabusa or a zx12.

not that I considder it a reliable source.. http://www.primo.4mg.com/photo.html Those numbers seem sane. And agree with what I remember.

Keep in mind, that modern 600's are in the 10's. All the top bikes are in the 10's now. Now wheelieing is the limit ;-)

 

[Hotblack]

Oh yes the modern 600s will smoke just about anything on four wheels, certainly any 'regular production' car. The 'old dogs' post better times now than when new, if they take advantage of modern rubber and suspension. I remember some testers cracking off high 12s with a Six Pack Super Bee consistently, and being really happy at what a difference those things make. I think it was pretty much stock other than that. Even so I think the older engines were much less consistent car to car, day to day. Modern computers can really optimize things for the conditions. I'm not too up on the new iron, but I know it's good. Big Blocks are a thing of the past in passenger cars, but imagine a Camaro with a modern 454 treated to all the modern stuff the 350s get. I suppose handling would suffer, but the acceleration would be insane.

Horsepower ratings for those old cars were all over the place. Lots of them were way over inflated, some were way under. Sometimes I guess manufacturers wanted to slip something under the radar. Often they will compute a 'real world' horsepower using vehicle weight and trap speed, and those numbers are most often a lot lower than those claimed by the factories. I remember being impressed that the Buick GSs had a pretty low discrepancy that way.

So 67 for the 2 valve 750? Sounds like what I expected. Someone said around 72 for the TSCC I think. Seems to show up noticeably on the strip. I've seen weird numbers for the Kawasaki Z1s too like, 60.... I can't swallow that one. Did someone put a sock in one of the carb throats? I think I saw 80 also, that's a little more believable. There's just a universal fudge factor everywhere you go when dealing with information. Very frustrating.

 

[earlfor]

Yep, 67 for the 2 valve and I believe 72 is correct for the TSCC.

Earl

So 67 for the 2 valve 750? Sounds like what I expected. Someone said around 72 for the TSCC I think.

 

[Anonymous]

1200 sporty? Yes browndog, we gotta get you a tune up
Trust me on that.

Just to try to save face with my fellow GSers:

My bike is out of tune---possible.

My racing skills are at fault---very possible.

Weight difference---yeah, thats it, weight difference. Thats what I will blame it on.

Not sure of the weights of each bike, but I would be willing to bet that the GK weighs at least as much as his '04 Sportster (even though I have the GK stripped). But my buddy weighs half as much as me...literally!!
He might be about 135-140, I am pushing 3 bills!!

Does that excuse work for everyone?? Please.

 

[lhanscom]

Also keep in mind that the GK is geared for highway use, not for acceleration. If it had been a top speed run you probably would have wasted him. I've raced a few harleys with my old 700, and did pretty well, though it was a pretty close match up sometimes. The problem is that to launch the 700 well you need to hold the revs up to 5 or 6 grand before you start the clutch out. Something about that seems wrong on the street. The harleys have so much torque they can just hammer it from idle. That's why they tend to get a jump, and with the street races I've done they tend to last only about 300 feet, as after that things get too out of hand.

Oddly enough, I don't get challenged with my current bike on the street. I think the 700 looked more like a bike they could beat. Now I just go to the Dragstrip.

 

[scotty]

Also keep in mind that the GK is geared for highway use, not for acceleration. If it had been a top speed run you probably would have wasted him. I've raced a few harleys with my old 700, and did pretty well, though it was a pretty close match up sometimes. The problem is that to launch the 700 well you need to hold the revs up to 5 or 6 grand before you start the clutch out. Something about that seems wrong on the street. The harleys have so much torque they can just hammer it from idle. That's why they tend to get a jump, and with the street races I've done they tend to last only about 300 feet, as after that things get too out of hand.

Oddly enough, I don't get challenged with my current bike on the street. I think the 700 looked more like a bike they could beat. Now I just go to the Dragstrip.

For heaven sakes man change your badges to read 750cc. That will get you more action. :lol:

 

[Hoomgar]

1200 sporty? Yes browndog, we gotta get you a tune up
Trust me on that.

Just to try to save face with my fellow GSers:

My bike is out of tune---possible.

My racing skills are at fault---very possible.

Weight difference---yeah, thats it, weight difference. Thats what I will blame it on.

Not sure of the weights of each bike, but I would be willing to bet that the GK weighs at least as much as his '04 Sportster (even though I have the GK stripped). But my buddy weighs half as much as me...literally!!
He might be about 135-140, I am pushing 3 bills!!

Does that excuse work for everyone?? Please.

Yeah I gotta except that one it's all part of the "I can make fun cause I are one" thing.

But! I am telling that even with the likes of lard butts like you or me on there the GK WILL slap even the newest 1200 custom in the quarter and even harder when stretching out the top end. My 1000 can do it, with ease. Your 1100 needs a tweakin. There is more bike there than you have been experiencing

 

[lhanscom]

Also keep in mind that the GK is geared for highway use, not for acceleration. If it had been a top speed run you probably would have wasted him. I've raced a few harleys with my old 700, and did pretty well, though it was a pretty close match up sometimes. The problem is that to launch the 700 well you need to hold the revs up to 5 or 6 grand before you start the clutch out. Something about that seems wrong on the street. The harleys have so much torque they can just hammer it from idle. That's why they tend to get a jump, and with the street races I've done they tend to last only about 300 feet, as after that things get too out of hand.

Oddly enough, I don't get challenged with my current bike on the street. I think the 700 looked more like a bike they could beat. Now I just go to the Dragstrip.

For heaven sakes man change your badges to read 750cc. That will get you more action. :lol:

Interesting idea and all, but I'm pretty sure as soon as anybody hears my bike, they would know it wasn't a 750. Of course I could shut it off at the line, let them get a good head start and then have some fun :twisted:

 

[scotty]

I dont know how much louder yours is than mine but on the street the harley boys usually dont know anything except that they are rideing a harley.