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starting without the gas tank

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Today, having a little time on my hands, I though I would take this to a full conclusion, this is what we did, Richard, Londonboards came round and gave a hand. He says he'd not read this thread.
Anyway on to the experiment.
I dug out an old GS1000 fuel tank because it would be the biggest one I had.
I topped it to the brim with fuel and it took a gnats over 19 litres, that was 42 pounds.

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This is the set up with a pressure gauge at the bike end and at about the standard level. The gauge was 0 - 15 psi (2 bar) (because it was the smallest reading one I could get) But for this it was good enough.

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The bike started and ran normally and the gauge was at zero which I was surprised at because I did expect it to at least register something because it had forty + pounds above it.

Here we raised the tank about four feet above normal, actually way more than we would use in a working workshop environment but anyway did it anyway, no leaks, no strange running just idled and revved fine. Actually the gauge is about five vertical feet below the bottom of the fuel tank, a foot lower than the carbs

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The bike started, idled, and revved normally, no leaks.

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So really this is the place I should have stopped as it proves what I contend that in this case its of no significant difference to us in this case.

But of course I didn't.. We stuck a wheelie bin on top of my shed roof and perched the still full tank on top of that which put it at fifteen feet from the floor, thirteen feet above the carbs,

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This is what the gauge said. About 1.5 psi. The bike started, idled and revved normally no leaks. I did have a problem wit a sticky float valve early on in the experiment on carb no 3 but that was cleared up by tapping the offending bowl with a hammer after that no leaks whatsoever. I have not touched the bike since middle November last year.

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I hope this helps clear this up.
The only thing that I wish I'd'v done was drain off ten or fifteen litres and seen what the gauge said but I didn't think of it at the time.
 
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I don't believe that for one moment.

Richard came round and there's no photograph of a half drunk bottle of beer?

You're making it up.........

PS new members will really think this is the nuthouse. After all, what normal person puts their wheelie bin on the shed roof.:)
 
A bit cold to be messing about with beer, we did think about sticking the tank up on the roof of my house but I didn't fancy the idea of going up the slope of the roof carrying forty pounds of petrol. Richard offered to do it but still didn't think it was a good plan. :)
 
firstly, thanks Wally for assuming it was me causing "trouble" again.what are you trying to say? ;)

secondly, i have argued before about this stupid theory and i have always maintained that a small 1 or 2 litre tank, a few feet above "normal" fuel tank level, or even a full GS gas tank for that matter, will have NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on the carbs when balancing or idle screw setting etc. etc.

forget all the physics theories and hydro pump scenarios, they dont mean nothing when it comes to actually doing it!

The temporary tank works just fine, has always worked just fine for me, and always will.

Tatu, i think your experiment just about proves everybody else wrong and hopefully all the budding physicists will zip up now and just get on with it.

However, i am disappointed at not seeing Richard balancing on a wheely bin, perched precariously on your house roof, with a full GS tank of gas balanced on his head and a bottle of beer in his hand.
I think you should repeat the experiment accordingly, maybe on a day when a lightning strike is imminent :D (purely for some great photographic effects, of course)
 
PS new members will really think this is the nuthouse. After all, what normal person puts their wheelie bin on the shed roof.:)

I don't tend to like the sort of people who WOULDN'T put a wheelie bin on top of their shed roof with 40 pounds of flammable liquid on it when the reward for doing so is to conclusively end an internet argument.

If only the oil debate were this easy to solve.
 
i cant believe you didn't fit an in line fuel filter while carrying out that test! that massive pressure increase must have forced all the crap out from the bottom of the tank!!!!
 
Thankyou for proving me right. As expected, when the tank is elevated ... pressure increases.
 
Thankyou for proving me right. As expected, when the tank is elevated ... pressure increases.

haha, yes remember that next time you vacuum synch your carbs with the fuel tank balanced on top of a wheely bin, on the shed roof! ;)
 
haha, yes remember that next time you vacuum synch your carbs with the fuel tank balanced on top of a wheely bin, on the shed roof! ;)

Pfff, as if carb sync was an exact science when I'm doing it. Tank placement is a small factor then, let me tell you. Its all about operator error. :cry:

This is far more important though. This is Being Right On The Internet. :-\\\
 
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