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Thinking about shocks

Dogma

Dogma

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Hey all,

I'm tired of these overdamped MDIs beating me up. It's time for some real shocks. I'm familiar with most of the reputable brands. What I'm looking for is advice on which features are worth paying for. This is for my 1000G with GK luggage, and I aspire to ride like Bwringer. Occasional gentle 2-up riding is also a consideration.

I've looked at high-end YSS parts with separate pre-load, compression and rebound settings. However, I know Brian has been happy with the Progressives (12 series?) on his 850. If I'm not mistaken, those are only preload adjustable. Are there other features to look for? Different damping profiles? I don't want the equivalent of a damper rod fork on the rear...

What are your thoughts and experiences with different types and features?

Thanks in advance.
 
It has been my experience that more adjustment is better, right up until you adjust your self into a crappy/unsafe ride and can't find your way back.

I have also learned that an increase in spring preload should be accompanied with an increase in compression damping, otherwise your springs will simply over-power your compression damping circuit.

That being said... If I was in the market for replacement shocks, they would, at the very least, have adjustable compression damping. just my .02 Paul
 
I like the yss better than the progressive 12 series.

You can get preload only on the yss, but they set them up for your individual requirements when they assemble them, so it basically a custom shock for a reasonable price.
 
The Progressives work pretty darn well, and I was able to get the monster springs required for my, er, mass. After close to 100,000 hard miles, they are wearing out and I suspect I'll be at least replacing the shock bodies soon.


If I had it to do over again, I'd likely pay about the same money and get a set of Hagons. If I had a few more bucks to play with, I'd get a set of Ikons. All are preload adustable.

Hagon and Ikon also build shocks with more adjustments, but then you're into some serious money.

I'm not familiar with YSS.


Quite honestly, my feeling is that the limits of handling on a GS850 are established more by frame flex than the shocks. You do want to make sure you have some sort of quality shocks with the proper preload and springs, of course, but there's going to be little additional benefit (but a lot more cost) to a street rider from moving up to full adjustability.

But hey, if you have the bucks and want everything to be awesome and perfect, then go ahead and order up some Ohlins! :D
 
For the money you'd spend on anything above the level of shocks we're talking about you could buy a 90's 600 or 750cc supersport and have all the handling and balltearingness you'd ever want.

I like going for a fast belt on my GS as much as any of us here, but when it comes to the crunch my VTR defecates all over it in terms of sport riding.

Just a thought.

- boingk
 
slayer61 said:
I have also learned that an increase in spring preload should be accompanied with an increase in compression damping, otherwise your springs will simply over-power your compression damping circuit.

That being said... If I was in the market for replacement shocks, they would, at the very least, have adjustable compression damping. just my .02 Paul
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I believe you mean more rebound damping?
 
Thanks for the input guys. Check me on this, though: Even my MDIs have preload adjust. It seems to me that damping is primarily what separates good handling and ride from what I have now (after proper spring selection). When I hit a bump, it's pretty jarring. If it was only a matter of spring rate and pre-load causing that, I'd have no static sag at all.

While I'm not interested in spending enough to have my suspension made of umlauts, I do want to know what damping options are worth having and how they affect ride and handling. Do some shocks with similar features ride better than others? Is it worthwhile to have separate compression and rebound, or are the "automatic" compression shocks good enough? And how does this "automatic" business work? Is that marketing speak for "you'll take what we give you"?
 
Automatic is generally something akin to rising rate. The more it gets hammered the less forgiving the response.

Think corn flour and water mix and you've got the picture.

- boingk
 
why dont you try kayaba shock ? its expensive for sure (approximately us$700-800 in indonesia)....but its not as stiff as some type of ohlins that can make your stomach colic when you hit a bumpy roads
 
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I have a set of the Hagons and have been happy with them. Per the website they have three damping rates available (non adjustable) and three pre-load settings. $ 194 for the set seems to be a decent price.

http://www.davequinnmotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/HAGON_TWIN_SHOCKS.html

I got mine approx 4 years ago and called Dave before I bought them and he asked about my riding style, weight, and two up percentage. I purchased what he recommended and they work very well IMHO. Pretty stiff compared to the clapped out stockers but they loosened up in approx 500 miles and ride very well since then.
 
What Tim said. I put a set of Hagons on the GK last year and love them. Call them and tell them what you looking to do, I'm sure they will have something that will appeal to you. :)
 
I have shocks on my birthday wish list. I can't make up my mind if I want to go Hagons or Progressives though.
 
I upgraded from MDI to Progressives recently and love them. Much better ride over bumpy roads, no more sore back and aching kidneys:cool:
 
i like the ikons on my esd, preload and damping adjustment and rebuildable. can't remember what i paid but as i recall they were comparable to progressives. Also available in custom lengths.

greg
 
I enjoyed the Ikon s on my G. Fully adjustable and firm yet not harsh and beating. Of course I got them while they had a big sale and paid about half of retail. Shop around a bit, could be worth it.
 
Hagons are good, Ikons are better, they will both sell you too stiff springs if you let them.
 
I have had a number of sets of Progressives on the old bikes, but after the YSS I won't be using Progressive again.
 
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boingk said:
Automatic is generally something akin to rising rate. The more it gets hammered the less forgiving the response.

Think corn flour and water mix and you've got the picture.

- boingk
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Now there's a piece of information. The rising rate is something I'm looking to avoid. It's why I'm also looking at Racetech emulators.

gsgeezer said:
I have had a number of sets of Progressives on the old bikes, but after the YSS I won't be using Progressive again.
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What about the YSS do you prefer over Progressives?
 
I really don't have anything against Progressive. The quality is fine. I think they are pretty expensive rear shocks for what you get. I have had a number of sets.

I only have bought the one set from YSS, but the quality and customer service is great.

After my onlilne order, they called me to make sure of what I wanted. Like other custom built suspension companies, they get your weight with gear on, the bikes weight, your riding style, etc. and build a rear shock according to your individual needs. (Like Icon).

(Racetech and Sonic do this when you buy the front springs.)
 
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