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Those of you with an 83 1100E...

Jethro

Jethro

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...do you have dual filament bulbs in your turn signals or single filaments?

I ask becasue my rear turn signals are really dim. Not visable enough during the day. The front flashers have single filament bulbs in them, the rears double. None are lit up unless the flasher is on, that is, there aren't running lights. I tried to get single filament bulbs for them, hoping that would brighten them up, but the little pitons on the bulb bottom are differnet. I assume the whole stalks are different and were changed at some point, but which ones? The single filaments or the duals? Do you guys with the 83 1100E have running lights or not, and are you sure it is stock?
 
Hey Jethro,
I think that the stock ones in mine are the other way around, double in the front, with runnning lights, and single in the rear without (although the replacement lights I bought for the rear are dual for future runninlights there too.

I will double check in the daylight tomorrow

Derrick
 
Stock is dual element in the front and running lights. Single element on the rears.

Earl
 
Stock is dual element in the front and running lights. Single element on the rears.
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Jezuz, that means both were replaced and both are wrong! How can I make the dual filament bulbs blink brightly?
 
Jethro,

Mine are as Earl has em, and they are bright. running lights front, dual filament, single in the back, turn sig only.


Chris
 
Well, that settles it, gotta buy new signals all around today :(
 
I friggin' hate dealing with the directionals. I'll have to see if I can just swap the single filament fronts with the dual filament rears and make the fronts work as running lights as well, but I think the stalks are differnet front and rear. Otherwise looks like I have another $50 to spend.
 
Well, that settles it, gotta buy new signals all around today
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Why not just switch the bulbs? Assuming you have the stock signals on, of course... I bet what is happening is that your rear signals are only activating the running light filament when the flashers go, instead of the flasher element because the rears will not be wired correctly to run the two elements. Put the rear bulbs in the front and the front in the back and I bet all is OK... :)

Mark
 
Why not just switch the bulbs?
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Put the rear bulbs in the front and the front in the back and I bet all is OK...
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You can't. There are two t i t s on the sides of the bulb contact that have a different configuration than the single filament bulbs. On the simgle filament bulbs the t i t s are directly opposite each other. On the dual filament bulbs the t i t s are offset. I tried to get new single filament bulbs on Saturday but the socket won't accept the single filament bulb.

I'm sure you are right about the flasher only lighting the running lamp filament and that's why it's dim. I assume the dual filament signals have more wires coming out, maybe I can change the configuration of them and get it to flash the bright filament. we'll see tonight.
 
I'm sure you are right about the flasher only lighting the running lamp filament and that's why it's dim. I assume the dual filament signals have more wires coming out, maybe I can change the configuration of them and get it to flash the bright filament. we'll see tonight.
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The dual filament set up should have 3 wires coming out of it instead of 2. If you find the ground wire then hook the other two wires together it should activate both filaments at the same time. Of course, this is coming from a mechanical engineer, so take it with a grain of salt... :) You may want to wait for one of the electrical gurus to chime in with a more informed opinion.

Mark
 
If you find the ground wire then hook the other two wires together it should activate both filaments at the same time.
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Ohhh, that's a very good idea. That's my gameplan. Maybe I'll have enough time to go for a ride after work and wrenching after all! It's already 65 outside at 10:30am!!!!
 
Piggybacking the elements works just fine. It does boost the power consumption from 23 watt turn signal/7 watt running light to a 30 watt turn signal. Probably will not require a different flasher, but the flash rate will be a little faster.

Earl

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The dual filament set up should have 3 wires coming out of it instead of 2. If you find the ground wire then hook the other two wires together it should activate both filaments at the same time. Of course, this is coming from a mechanical engineer, so take it with a grain of salt... :) You may want to wait for one of the electrical gurus to chime in with a more informed opinion.

Mark
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I think i gave 3 oem signals for the 1100ed. I broke one if a driveway a long time ago. LOL I replaced all 4 with marker lights from a semi trailer. they are up for grabs to the first person who sends me $10 That includes shipping. send your shiping address and ill use priority mail.
 
Piggybacking the elements works just fine. It does boost the power consumption from 23 watt turn signal/7 watt running light to a 30 watt turn signal. Probably will not require a different flasher, but the flash rate will be a little faster.
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It won't tax my electrical system too much, right?
 
You can't. There are two t i t s on the sides of the bulb contact that have a different configuration than the single filament bulbs. On the simgle filament bulbs the t i t s are directly opposite each other. On the dual filament bulbs the t i t s are offset. I tried to get new single filament bulbs on Saturday but the socket won't accept the single filament bulb.
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Hey Jethro,

I was just thinking about this again and I wonder if your turn signal housings didn't get swapped front to back somewhere along the way? Going from memory, they are the same externally, but obviously have different sockets for the single and dual filament bulbs. Can you simply swap the entire signal housing front to back again? You really should have the running lights up front and signals only at the back, just to be like the rest of us 82-83 owners. :)


Mark
 
You really should have the running lights up front and signals only at the back, just to be like the rest of us 82-83 owners.
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Yeah, I wanna be just like the rest of the cool kids!

Going from memory, they are the same externally, but obviously have different sockets for the single and dual filament bulbs.
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I'm going from memory too as I didn't bring the bike in to work today, but I know on my 81 the front stalks are shorter and have some sort of strange boot near the headlight ears. But maybe the 83 the front and rear signals are identical in size and all? I don't know, I assume someone replaced them all at some point or another and screwed up. I just hope the wires on the dual filament units are still there. I'll get it right somehow, things like this are like a splinter to me, I can't rest easy and it bugs the crap outta me until it's all worked out!
 
Figured it out. Both front and rear are the same signals unlike the 81. Swapped 'em and they are all set. In an effort to assist others I'll make special note that both single and dual filament signals only have two wires coming from them. It's a ground on the mount bolt that connects the running lamp element. So if anyone else is having troubles getting thier lights to work right, put a wire on the mount bolt and throw that into the mess of wires you are fiddleing with.
 
Jethro, on the single element (rear signal type), there are two wires. One is ground and the other is 12v+. On the dual element front signals, two wires are 12v + and one is ground. The same ground wire is used for the running light and the turn signal function. Some will have a prong and two wires. The prong is ground.

Earl


Jethro said:
Figured it out. Both front and rear are the same signals unlike the 81. Swapped 'em and they are all set. In an effort to assist others I'll make special note that both single and dual filament signals only have two wires coming from them. It's a ground on the mount bolt that connects the running lamp element. So if anyone else is having troubles getting thier lights to work right, put a wire on the mount bolt and throw that into the mess of wires you are fiddleing with.
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