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To pod, or not to pod

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J_C said:
It's too bad my stock airbox is missing the lid. Looks like I should find a replacement for that since the tolerances were so strict; unfortunately the lid isn't sold separately.

I also need the chrome sidings :D
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The critical part commonly referred to as the airbox is the front part which is connected to the carburetors. The separate rear section houses the air filter, and this is the part which has the cover (lid). It was discovered early on that the 16 valve GS1100E would develop more horsepower without the cover, which proved to be restrictive at high airflow levels. This is probably why yours is missing. I took mine off also, about 25 years ago and it's been fine without it. Many others are also running without lids. I wouldn't worry about the lid (its covered by the seat anyway), but the chrome side covers are nice looking and worth finding.
 
Detman101 said:
Truth!!
The design of the stock airbox was created by the dudes at Suzuki and they REALLY knew what they were doing. There isn't anything anyone's created that works with the stock jet settings like the stock airbox.
There's always been something wrong with the way the air flows in the replacement box or air leaks or vacuum issues. Suzuki really made their product to strict specifications and they must be abided by if you choose to go with stock jetting.

:p
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Yeah, but give us hell when we try to discuss the advantages of motorcycle oils vs current auto oils. Whatever, that was a different post.

Aloha,
Kelzer
 
Thanks for the info re: the box! I forgot that Chef had told me the same thing re: the cover several weeks ago.

I personally have decided to wait on podding for now as a result of this thread. I have plenty to try and figure out in these carbs without monkeying further with rejetting... for the time being I'm sticking with my airbox. But once its restored, I'd like to venture into some of this stuff. More to look forward to!! :)
 
Interesting how some owners say that removing the air box lid did'n't require a jetting change, while others have had to change once they decided to do some plug reads/tests.
I've found that removing the lid leans out all three jetting circuits.
 
KEITH KRAUSE said:
Interesting how some owners say that removing the air box lid did'n't require a jetting change, while others have had to change once they decided to do some plug reads/tests.
I've found that removing the lid leans out all three jetting circuits.
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Are you using an aftermarket 4 into 1 or a stock exhaust?
 
KEITH KRAUSE said:
I like pods.:twisted: As long as they're K&N's.
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There you have it.............If both Keith and I like them it MUST be right!

Joe
 
I changed the Yammy to a pod to see if there was any difference worth the work, I didn't notice much
Now, besides having the carb off more times than I care to count to get the jetting set to where it isn't overly lean, it still doesn't idle well until 5+min of riding, but I can't spare the time to pull it all apart again. Will I do it to the Suzuki? NO!:shock:
 
Boondocks said:
Are you using an aftermarket 4 into 1 or a stock exhaust?
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I run a V&H pipe today, with K&N ovals.
My first experience with removing the lid (but keeping the stock exhaust on) was when two friends and I all bought new '79 GS1000's just a month apart. Wasn't long before those two started tinkering. I was actually the last to try. I wanted to see what happened to their bikes.
They had problems. Some minor, some more than minor and we all just started learning about jetting/carburetion. Removing the lids significantly leaned their bikes. Over several rides, their plugs lightened up quite a bit. We also tried cutting the air boxes and all that stuff. Same thing. If the air flow increased enough, the mixture leaned out and we got light pinging, etc. I always had more patience than they did and I ended up re-jetting their bikes. Mechanics from local shops would suggest certain things. More often than not, their suggestions made the bikes run worse. I just took a common sense approach to this stuff and tried to read and learn a lot. We had the carbs off so many times I can't remember.
Most of it comes natural to me now, though not all of it.
 
The Kelzer said:
Yeah, but give us hell when we try to discuss the advantages of motorcycle oils vs current auto oils. Whatever, that was a different post.

Aloha,
Kelzer
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Hehehehehehe... :p
 
By the way, Pods can be used on non-CV type carbs without the many tuning woes you would get with a CV type carb. Just so the Non-CV guys don't get freaked out by this post.
 
Ahh... summer is almost here and its time to make some time for the GS board again...

So on the podding topic, the whole to pod or not debate only really applies to stock carbs, right?

For my next project I'm planning on running pods but also later carbs, not sure what kind exactly yet. My project is an '82 GS550M Kat that I bought in boxes, its missing the engine so I'm going to put in a good GS700ES engine I picked up last summer with later forks and swingarm/wheel swap. With the 700 engine I plan to run some GSX/R? carbs and pods, from what I understand that should be MUCH easier to set up.

If this is true why even bother with all that work trying to jet CV's? Seems like a weekend or two of assembly and setup with better carbs to start with is more logical than messing around for months trying to find the sweet spot for CVs.

/\/\
 
Ah yes, air leaks. Bought a Gixer a few yarons back and it had K&Ns. I fiddled with that for a good year. But after replacing rubbers because of air leaks, it rocketed to the moon, Alice.
Now own a 750E fixerupper and sure enough, air leaks was the big issue. Soon as I got em all plugged, away she went. No pods on this one.
 
If this is true why even bother with all that work trying to jet CV's? Seems like a weekend or two of assembly and setup with better carbs to start with is more logical than messing around for months trying to find the sweet spot for CVs.
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You mean, why don't people who get a perfomance pipe and jet kit just replace the carbs also? Money is probably one issue. Also, CV's have thier advantages when properly set up. My bike is smooth as silk now that it's back to stock.
 
The Kelzer said:
By the way, Pods can be used on non-CV type carbs without the many tuning woes you would get with a CV type carb. Just so the Non-CV guys don't get freaked out by this post.
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For the record, my reasonably easy pod and jetting experience was with CV carbs.

Joe
 
Jetting takes patience in most cases, unless you're lucky to have someone help you that has a bike with an identical set up. Even then you'll probably have to take things apart a couple times and tweak things.
Where many people make things worse is in the motor preparation and the mods they choose.
You're asking for frustration if you cut corners because of your mechanical ability, laziness or budget. You can't just assume the carbs are clean, the compression is within specs, the electrical system is working right...you have to check and adjust these things BEFORE you re-jet. Otherwise, you're mixing trouble shooting and jetting. Bad combo. If you just throw in some larger jets and expect the bike to run right, you're going to learn the hard way. Prepare the motor first.
You also can't expect the motor, which was tuned to run best for its specific characteristics, to always have good street "manners" when you mix in modified parts. These mods should COMPLIMENT each other. Larger carbs on a stock head, pods and stock exhausts, stock carbs and ported/polished heads...these things are not always good matches. Throw in wild cams, poor cam timing, weak ignitions, jet kits that were designed for certain mods and specific brand name parts being used to make other mods work...
Not all mods work together and not all mods increase power without some sacrifice. Not all mods even make sense for the motor they're in. Typical re-jetting can't be expected to bring everything together. You may gain over-all power but lose some in other areas. It may run perfect. It may run like crap. So many variables to good performance. Not just pods and jets.
 
Aww Crap! I just spent the money on pods, and now I find out what a headache it is gonna be to get the carbs jetted right? Should have done my home work.

My suspicion is that the carbs were never rejetted properly when the V&H 4-1 was put on it. I think she's been bored out too. This bike is like a curse. Well, I think I'll let the shop take care of the carbs for me. I've found a fantastic shop in Lancaster County, PA. These guys know their stuff like nobody's business. Anyone in my area, feel free to look up RBO Racing Enterprizes. I don't know why I ever took any of my bikes anywhere else.

If there's someone in Lancaster County, PA who has some kind of masochistic desire to help me do the jetting on my GS 750 instead of me taking it to the shop, feel free to give me a yell!
 
Pods

Pods

Has anyone ever tried tuning with an O2 sensor? It should be pretty straight forward. Right now carbs are the least of my worries. First, I have to get the engine back together. But, considering that my airbox disappeared (long story), I'll have to do something. I guess when I get to it, I let you all know how it went. It sounds good on paper though. You should only need an O2 sensor and an ohm meter.
 
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