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Valve Tappet too Small 1.6-1.8mm?

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Shim Sizing

Shim Sizing

Actually there are shims to nearly any size you need in nearly any diameter or shape you need. Just specific range that our bikes use do not go that small but some of the higher end sports cars use shims as well. My local shop had those two that I bought.

In my measurements if there is only one measurement but no range it indicates my smallest size that did not fit. Thus with the 2.15 my .04 feeler would not go in.

By my best calculations the one I need is precisely in the center of the two that I got from my local bike shop. I went with the smaller because I did not want any additional pressure the new Cap before I get the correct size. If I have to I can have one made at my job. At the college I work, we have a mechanical engineering college that has all the precision machining gear to make us men drool.
 
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You could surface grind the oversize one at school.
Congratulation in you endeavor to persevere.:)
 
Shim Sizing

Shim Sizing

I was considering having the 2.15 ground down at the machine shop.

Here is an place in California with an online site that indicates they have shims from 1.35-3.5mm in .05mm steps. Not only that but they do shim exchange so you can exchange up to 5 shims for only $12.

Alba Action
 
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Shim Sizing

Shim Sizing

Yea, I noticed that the site didn't list our diameter 29.5mm as well but with the huge variety that they do have I am guessing they will have ours as well.

That and their comments "If you can't find it give us a call". I tried to call them today but they were closed, I will be giving them a call tomorrow and will report back my findings. (Although I will also try and get some time to visit the Mechanical Engineering machine shop as well)

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Did you measure the depth of the shim pocket on top of the valve bucket? Obviously, you can't use a shim thinner than the height of the pocket.
 
Shim Sizing

Shim Sizing

I didn't measure the pocket but I did specifically take note that the 1.75mm allows the Cam to clear the edge of the Tappet Ring or pocket.

For those of you reading this and wondering why it matters, it is because if the Cam makes contact with the edge of the Tappet it could scrape and scar up your cam.

Being cautious about thiss was what took me the longest to deal with, I had to remove one shim, swap it with another before I could turn the cam for the next test.
 
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I didn't measure the pocket but I did specifically take note that the 1.75mm allows the Cam to clear the edge of the Tappet Ring or pocket.

For those of you reading this and wondering why it matters, it is because if the Cam makes contact with the edge of the Tappet it could scrape and scar up your cam.

Being cautious about thiss was what took me the longest to deal with, I had to remove one shim, swap it with another before I could turn the cam for the next test.
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Man dude! I didn't even think of that!
 
Shim Tracking Diagrams

Shim Tracking Diagrams

While doing my search for my missing shim sizes, I came across a diagram to help track the valve adjustments. I modified it to suit my needs and then duplicated it in a 16 Valve version. I thought I would give a little back to all those that have helped me on the forum. I hope a few of you find these useful.

You can print these out to help you with your valve adjustments and tracking for future use.

8ValveShimSheet.jpg


16ValveShimSheet.jpg
 
I modified it to suit my needs and then duplicated it in a 16 Valve version
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My 16v engine has tappets not shims. I thought all 16v engines were the same.
 
Valve Tappet Clearance too Small

Valve Tappet Clearance too Small

Well I tried a couple other relatively local bike shops looking for the shims to bring my bike fully withing spec. but no such luck. I contacted Alba yesterday and although they did have a few 29.5mm diameter shims they had very few and not sizes I needed.

I surrender and give up on surfing the net and determined if I am going to be Anal about getting my clearances within specs, I am going to have to grind them down myself or at least get some assistance at the RIT Mechanical Engineering Machine Shop.

I stopped in this morning with my spare 2.15mm shim and they helped me grind it down to 2.0.
 
Just so you know by grinding down the shim you are removing the hardened surface of the shim. You might want to consider putting the ground surface facing down and allow the unground hardened surface to contact the cam lobes.

I suspect this thread will come back to life in a few months and a few miles. When things are this far out there are bigger issues at work.
 
Shims: How Close is Close enough

Shims: How Close is Close enough

I love the RIT Machine Shop with the tools they have it makes even the strongest man drool. We started off using a Diamond tip to precisely smooth and flatten the grinding wheel then with precision I have never used before we ground my shim down with as small as .001mm steps from 2.15 until we had it to precisely 2.00mm. This was half the distance that I was expecting need to go but I wanted to be cautious.

With my 1.75mm shim I was measuring a gap between .30mm and .33. That was leading me to the idea to hit a happy medium of .05 I would need a shim around 2.00
So I ground down my 2.15 and now it is 2.00 on my # 1 Intake I am reading between .10 and .13 as Anal Retentive as I was being with my measurements the newly adjusted shim is .05 too small (WTF).

Anyhow I am starting to think this is close enough as over time it will build up carbon and become tighter or who know now that I have it much closer, maybe it will burn off some of the carbon that has been building up for 30+ years.

Below are my measurements now. Give me your opinions please. Are they close enough that I can put the new gasket on and permanently close her up or should I put back on my temporary gasket and run her for a while more and retest?

(Measurements are between the two numbers smaller number fits, bigger number does not)
Exhaust
#1 = 2.50mm Shim, Gap .15-.18
#2 = 2.60mm Shim, Gap .08-.10 (.09)
#3 = 2.60mm Shim, Gap .13-.15 (.14)
#4 = 2.55mm Shim, Gap .08-.10 (.09)

Intake
#1 = 2.00mm Shim, Gap .10-.13
#2 = 2.70mm Shim, Gap .06-.08 (.07)
#3 = 2.90mm Shim, Gap .06-.08 (.07)
#4 = 2.70mm Shim, Gap .04-.05
 
If this engine runs right, without the oil filter looking like a porcupine from the metal, you should get a mechanic of the year award.
 
My opinion is to adjust all the clearances to factory spec. Failing that, .10 mm max.
 
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If this engine runs right, without the oil filter looking like a porcupine from the metal, you should get a mechanic of the year award.
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Not completely GSR PC, but persistence paid off none the less and that is certainly GSR culture. I would grease the gasket rather than call it a permanent install :rolleyes:.

At least it seems you have salvages the summer by not having to pull the head.

Pos
 
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you should get a mechanic of the year award.
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Well I don't know about that but if nothing else, at least most persistent.

BTW if after installing the previous shims I ran it for about 15mins in 3rd gear at 3500 rpm. After I removed the cover and gasket all the tappet Cam compartments were full of oil. AKA no problem with oil flow.
 
Just curious, did you check the compresson on that cylinder after you got it running? Also did the 2.00mm shim stick out out of the bucket at all?
 
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