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Vintage, not fast enough for Track days?

Bill, your opening post has to be one of the oddest things I've read on here.

The last track day I did was on a prepped '06 GSXR750.
I took a few scalps and was feeling pretty cool until a bloke on some old slab sided touring BMW (it looked like a Ducati Paso) handed me my frilly knickers in a bow.
He was liquid smooth and I just couldn't touch him.

On the weekend, I watched Manx Nortons and G50 Matchless circle the track in mid-to-low 1.40s.

I have a mate, Frog, with a Dyna Lowrider that delivers me a bunch of reality every time I ride with him. He does things on that Harley that have me checking the gauges to make sure I am still running.


It's not the bike, it's never the bike.It's the rider.
Unless the bike is a 1927 Rudge-Whitworth.
 
Yup. I saw it.
Steve Martin should have a factory ride.

The MCNEWS photos are great.
Better than what I managed to grab but he probably wasn't as drunk/hungover/shaky as me
 
I have to agree with Leigh.......if I may Leigh ;)

I have been to a few track days and yep, some of the guys on newer bikes do get a reality check with some of the older riders on bikes that are suited to their age (classics)….

There is nothing more indulgent then to watch a GS1000 with a guy in gravel rashed leathers squirm, shake and wobble through a corner passing a GSXR1000 on the outside thats ridden by a Fox sponsored Generation Y…..
I know who has the bigger cojones :-k



Biking is not in the wallet…..it’s in the blood!



(It seems us guys down under beg to differ.. :eek:)
 
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Agree away, mate..
I will chuck in a 'yeah, but' right here though.

I don't think it's the rider's age either.
I know a young bloke with an evil old Kwaka 750 that will fold your mirrors forward on his way passed for you.
I quite enjoy seeing him clean up around the outside.
 
Again I have to agree Leigh…… about the age factor…..

Though I was commenting in general from my experience as an “old timer” when making reference to Gen Y…


Track day and you know…..
the younger fit looking guy on a flash new bike commenting to he’s mates about the old weathered looking guy on the old weathered bike “his just going to slow me down”… then on the track Fox man is passed…again and again and again…by that same weathered guy...

that’s the indulging part!:D

Most Gen Y’s don’t have egos and most Super bike riders and Grand Prix riders are Gen Y anyway, I would be ignorant to think age is a major factor….
my comment is purely of an individual experience from the humorous side of life…. Societies Ego’s!:p

Like I mentioned before….my opinion on this is



“Biking is in the blood….not in the wallet”
 
Some days being a fifty year old on a 25 year old bike is freakin hilarious, it is even more fun when ya do it on yer daughters CB250..............

edit: I'll be living in Mount Gambier again next year so it is time to get the bits together for a P5 runner, has anybody ever race a 650 Katana for a laugh, I'd be interested to find out
 
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So, I see some hope?

So, I see some hope?

Glad to hear this about it all really being about the rider and not the vintage of his bike.
I think I'll try to find me a fixer-up Brough Superior SS100.;)
A_1934_Brough_SS100.jpg
 
GEE-S said:
Again I have to agree Leigh…… about the age factor…..

Though I was commenting in general from my experience as an “old timer” when making reference to Gen Y…
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Yeah, I got ya mate. It's nice to put one over on the pups every now and then.

Buffalo Bill said:
Glad to hear this about it all really being about the rider and not the vintage of his bike.
I think I'll try to find me a fixer-up Brough Superior SS100.;)
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Oh? So it's Buffalo Bill Gates now is it? :D

Why not, eh? A track day on a Brough would be... interesting.
But not impossible.
Even this bloke passed a couple of bikes on Sunday..
IMG_1297Medium.jpg

(ok, ok, it was in the parade lap)
IMG_1297Medium.jpg
 
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Last event I went to was an "all in" type thing. Engines had to be external mods only, suspension had no limit, and bikes were classed in power/weight ratio groups (dyno'ed before the event). There were a lot of GS's and CB's out whooping up on SV's and such.
 
Leigh said:
It's not the bike, it's never the bike.It's the rider.
Unless the bike is a 1927 Rudge-Whitworth.
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Exactly!

I used to work at NJMSP, on bike weeks.

If you've never been on the track, don't worry it's NOT this HUGE competition like you think....
It's much more relaxed, you just ride at your own pace.

There are also different classes(beginner, mid and advanced)

The only time people are racing is on Event days.(usually)
Most flaggers or staff will pull you off the track if you race too aggressive on Non-Event days.

It's mostly just about getting out and having fun.

--------

I think any 550 or 650 gs and Up would be plenty for track days.


I've seen larger CC Enduros out on the track, lapping "crotch rockets" all day long.
It was rather Funny watching a guy sitting almost straight-up on the seat and he's just roaring past sport bikes and they are all Leaning forward, lol!
(obviously the enduro operator had more experience)
 
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Njmsp

Njmsp

Hey V8 Merc

I've always wondered how those track days worked at NJMSP. I've been there a few times to do the Kart racing, which is a ton of fun, but it would be neat to get out there on a bike. Do you have any information you could send my way about this?

Thanks
 
Tim Tom said:
Hey V8 Merc

I've always wondered how those track days worked at NJMSP. I've been there a few times to do the Kart racing, which is a ton of fun, but it would be neat to get out there on a bike. Do you have any information you could send my way about this?

Thanks
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Alright, sent you a PM.
(good thing I did too....because I ended up typing a lot, lol)
 
It depends, a seasoned vintage racer on a fast vintage bike will have little problem with the average street racer on a modern bike except maybe on long straights. AHRMA is a great place to run your vintage bike they have novice production classes to learn in. and a good race school.
 
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Buffalo Bill said:
It's a bummer, but the fact is most vintage bikes are too slow to be on the track with new bikes. So not many owners bring them. A race prepared GS1000 I'm sure would be fast enough, but plenty of doubt for a 750 or smaller.
I wonder if there are track days for vintage and small displacement bikes, anybody know?
Bill
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I don't see a problem. I've had friends do trackdays on Ninja 250s, no issues. I once did a couple of sessions on an 11hp DR-Z125 that I'd motarded. Granted, I went out with the C (slowest) group, but I was not the slowest guy out there.
 
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