Where to buy new coils (w/condensers)?

[benjo]

Hi all,

I've asked this a few times but, unfortunately, no one has been able to point me in the right direction. I have a 1981 GS450 with points (yes, I know this is unusual but I am in South Africa so I think they made a few 81's with points here....). Anyways, the bike has these coils with condensers on the ends of them. See pic.


My question is, where can I buy new oem coils or at lease replacements that have these little condensers on the back of them? I will be heading to the US for work in a couple of weeks so I can ship them to the US and just pick them up. Any links you could share to buy some of these would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks for your help!

 

[tom203]

In your other thread, you said the coils tested good ,primary and secondary. Did you ever check to see if you have condensers cohabitating on the contact points plate?

new oem here...
http://www.partsoutlaw.com/oemparts/a/suz/50d3f0bcf8700230d8b4b97d/electrical

 

[tom203]

I scanned ebay for gs450 ignition coils and didn't see any with condensers stuck on... I'm sorta skeptical that that partsoutlaw part fiche is correct- might be creative drawing! Also remember that the usa 1981 gs450 had signal coils.

Have you considered getting a Dyna ignition and dumping the points?

 

[benjo]

In your other thread, you said the coils tested good ,primary and secondary. Did you ever check to see if you have condensers cohabitating on the contact points plate?

new oem here...
http://www.partsoutlaw.com/oemparts/a/suz/50d3f0bcf8700230d8b4b97d/electrical

Here, I just took a picture of my points. I don't see any condensers there.

 

[benjo]

I scanned ebay for gs450 ignition coils and didn't see any with condensers stuck on... I'm sorta skeptical that that partsoutlaw part fiche is correct- might be creative drawing! Also remember that the usa 1981 gs450 had signal coils.

Have you considered getting a Dyna ignition and dumping the points?

I am up to try that. Probably best sense points will eventually become obsolete, right? How expensive is a dyna ignition and is it relatively straightforward in terms of installing? Any instructions you can point me to?

 

[tom203]

The usa gs425 parts fiche says it has a ND points /advancer setup. Do you see any markings on your points plate? Bunch of guys here have put the dyna on 450s

here is a pic of the dyna on a 650 plate with the ND ignition

 

[2BRacing]

In your other thread you said one of the coils was getting very hot, and that is why you want to replace them. New OEM coils will cost an arm and a leg and maybe a kidney as well.

As mentioned above, consider changing to electronic ignition. I think the coils for that system are different to the coils for a points system, but not 100% sure. A Dynatek system and coils would be pricy (for us in our currency), but probably worth it in the long run.

As an alternative, go to "Ryan's Motorcycle Surgery" at 75 Voortrekker Road, Parow (next door to Craig's Motorcycle Fitment Centre which is on the corner of Voortrekker Road and Frankfort Road near where Giel Basson Drive crosses Voortrekker Road). Phone number 083 270 6637. He has an amazing amount of used parts for all kinds of bikes stashed in plastic bins on rows and rows of shelves. Maybe he has second hand coils for the points system like yours, or maybe he has all the second hand parts needed to change to an electronic ignition system from later GS450's (if they will work on your bike - Ryan should be able to tell you if it will work or not).

 

[benjo]

In your other thread you said one of the coils was getting very hot, and that is why you want to replace them. New OEM coils will cost an arm and a leg and maybe a kidney as well.

As mentioned above, consider changing to electronic ignition. I think the coils for that system are different to the coils for a points system, but not 100% sure. A Dynatek system and coils would be pricy (for us in our currency), but probably worth it in the long run.

As an alternative, go to "Ryan's Motorcycle Surgery" at 75 Voortrekker Road, Parow (next door to Craig's Motorcycle Fitment Centre which is on the corner of Voortrekker Road and Frankfort Road near where Giel Basson Drive crosses Voortrekker Road). Phone number 083 270 6637. He has an amazing amount of used parts for all kinds of bikes stashed in plastic bins on rows and rows of shelves. Maybe he has second hand coils for the points system like yours, or maybe he has all the second hand parts needed to change to an electronic ignition system from later GS450's (if they will work on your bike - Ryan should be able to tell you if it will work or not).

Hey man, thanks for the info. I just found out that the 1979 GS425 had the same points and coils system that the 1981 GS450s in South Africa have. I found some coils online and am going to try to go for that.

I have been to Ryan's before and have also called him, and all around (the typical suspects: both of the Craigs, Ryan's, Startline. I have even called up to Joburg's Bike Hospital and Knysna's Motorcycle Graveyard.) I don't think there are an available pair in the country...

Also.....Ryan is one of the most rude individuals I have ever met. He is super judgemental of what type of bike you ride and tries to rip off people constantly. Motorcycles are for everyone - from cheap Chinese bikes to CB500s....no one should feel judged....That is why I decide to try not to take my business to him

 

[2BRacing]

Also.....Ryan is one of the most rude individuals I have ever met. He is super judgemental of what type of bike you ride and tries to rip off people constantly. Motorcycles are for everyone - from cheap Chinese bikes to CB500s....no one should feel judged....That is why I decide to try not to take my business to him

Yes, I wanted to warn you that a person has to be very thick-skinned to do business with Ryan. I have known him for years (from back when his shop was in Cape Town city centre), but luckily do not often have to buy something from him!

I was not aware that you have already spoken to him. Allan (the mechanic I told you about) used to work for Ryan long ago, but he is the exact opposite to Ryan - a really nice guy always willing to help!

Good luck in sorting your ignition out!

 

[2BRacing]

The usa gs425 parts fiche says it has a ND points /advancer setup. Do you see any markings on your points plate? Bunch of guys here have put the dyna on 450s

Benjo, there was a thread here quite recently where someone mentioned that the marking to look for is around the 10 o' clock position (a circle with something inside, or similar). Unfortunately I did not take too much notice because my bike does not have points, but I remember seeing the post.

 

[benjo]

Benjo, there was a thread here quite recently where someone mentioned that the marking to look for is around the 10 o' clock position (a circle with something inside, or similar). Unfortunately I did not take too much notice because my bike does not have points, but I remember seeing the post.

Can you explain this to me a little bit more? Why am I looking for markings? Why are they relevant? What are ND points/advancer setup? Sorry, I am still a newbie

 

[2BRacing]

Can you explain this to me a little bit more? Why am I looking for markings? Why are they relevant? What are ND points/advancer setup? Sorry, I am still a newbie

There were two types: ND and Kokusan (or something like that). The ND setup was identified by a specific mark on the base plate, around the 10 o'clock position. If you want to change to a Dynatek system, you need to know which type you have, to get the correct Dynatek item.

I will look for that post, so that you can see the details.

EDIT: Here is the thread. (Look specifically at posts 1, 3, 7, 8 and 12) http://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...ing-My-Factory-Ignition&p=2399439#post2399439

 

[Gorminrider]

as an option, You could get some "generic" "automotive" condensers and put them anywhere convenient.. if you wire them correctly(to suck up the spark when points open)...and likewise coils that roughly match the windings resistances of the suzuki...I'd guess you would want to put them near the coils as Suzuki had it (....because they couldn't fit them near the points apparently..likely because the space was designed for the electronic ignition we all think you should have!)
Point/,coils are pretty similar among motorcycles..it's overall a pretty generic system and you should be able to find similar parts...say, from a 350-450 Honda twin...? or even (and it hurts me to say it) "new" .