When do you expect ev bikes to become practical road bikes.

[GS1150Pilot]

Does it have small wheels? Or step-through design?

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Nope, Rob. It's pretty motorcycle sized.

[Suzukian]

I'm starting to think that viable electric motorcycles, and I mean powerful long distance machines, are closer than I originally thought. I won't be able to afford one, I couldn't buy a new I.C.E. machine of any sort (living my goal and realization of having no monthly bills, except for my mortgage, Utilities, and fuel necessities). I'm not going into debt for anything. The reality for my son though will be quite different, and if the world can be left better than when we arrived,(all things considered), that would be a good thing.

[rphillips]

Rob, check out the new small wheeled, step through, Suzuki Burgman and Honda Silver Wing. Scooters ain't what they us't'a be.

[Rob S.]

It's defined as a scooter I don't know how something that has a top end of 130kph is called a scooter.

4 or 5 years ago, I was tooling along in the left lane of a large expressway (Whitestone) on my Suzi (11E) when 2 2-wheelers breezed by, splitting lanes at more than 70 mph. One was a mid size conventional (600 4 cylinder?), BUT

The other was an ICE moped (Bergman?) with a modified exhaust (the muffler might have just been gutted). It seemed to be near it's overall speed limit and it's rider looked to be between 250 and 300 lbs.

Of course, my immaturity got the better of me and I showed them how it's done, but I'll never forget the image of that big guy on a moped speeding along.

[Cipher]

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Nope, Rob. It's pretty motorcycle sized.

So it has good highway handling.
couldn't find a spec. Sheet.
It's no Segway though.

[wyly]

I'm starting to think that viable electric motorcycles, and I mean powerful long distance machines, are closer than I originally thought. I won't be able to afford one, I couldn't buy a new I.C.E. machine of any sort (living my goal and realization of having no monthly bills, except for my mortgage, Utilities, and fuel necessities). I'm not going into debt for anything. The reality for my son though will be quite different, and if the world can be left better than when we arrived,(all things considered), that would be a good thing.

The debt thing is an issue for many of us as we age out/ burn out I was in the same position until recently. Now debt free with good monthly pension I can buy anything I want but I like being debt free, it feels good. Does it make financial sense for me to buy an ev, probably not. If I do it'll be because I'm helping ny kids future and because I want an ev cycle, maybe a Sondor.

And reality is something like the Sondor if it does what is claimed is an economical commuter and it's price is not out of line for today. There are bicycles sell for much more, a lot more!

[GS1150Pilot]

Looks like the Sondor delivers at about 60% of advertisement at best. Its real world range seems to be about 45 miles at 60 mph or under. Above 60 and it drops into the 30 mile range. Time will improve the breed, even if some die off.

[wyly]

Looks like the Sondor delivers at about 60% of advertisement at best. Its real world range seems to be about 45 miles at 60 mph or under. Above 60 and it drops into the 30 mile range. Time will improve the breed, even if some die off.

Sondor being Chinese origin I'm sure they're awaiting the trickle down of Solid State batteries from the automotive world.

[Baatfam]

We went to a "Drive Electric" event here in Knoxville last Saturday, put on by the local electric vehicle club.
Mostly privately own vehicles, and some dealers. But we got to see, and sit in most of the major brands. Also drove one of dozen they had for test drives.

One vendor there is an electric motorcycle rental company, out of Robbinsville, NC (Near the Dragon) https://www.emotousa.com/
They have three Zeros, an RS/R, RS/S, DSR/X, and a Energica Eva Ribelle.
Told us they do 2 hour rentals, which would be a decent test ride.

[dpep]

One vendor there is an electric motorcycle rental company, out of Robbinsville, NC (Near the Dragon) https://www.emotousa.com/
They have three Zeros, an RS/R, RS/S, DSR/X, and a Energica Eva Ribelle.
Told us they do 2 hour rentals, which would be a decent test ride.

Bob, if you ever do take any emoto test rides I would be very interested in where the center of gravity feels to be. As my numerous damaged and non oem body parts age I find myself much more aware than I used to be when I have to push bikes around or (grimace) pick them up.

The Electric motorcycles are going to be heavier than their ICE equivalent. I really haven't seen much discussion on where and how they carry that additional weight. Is it low enough to offset that inherent disadvantage?

[Rob S.]

The Electric motorcycles are going to be heavier than their ICE equivalent. I really haven't seen much discussion on where and how they carry that additional weight. Is it low enough to offset that inherent disadvantage?

Good question.

Reminds me of my own theoretical musings...

If I installed a centerstand on my 11EZ, I'd be adding weight. Bad thing.
But, I'd be lowering the center of gravity, a good thing.

[Baatfam]

Bob, if you ever do take any emoto test rides I would be very interested in where the center of gravity feels to be. As my numerous damaged and non oem body parts age I find myself much more aware than I used to be when I have to push bikes around or (grimace) pick them up.

The Electric motorcycles are going to be heavier than their ICE equivalent. I really haven't seen much discussion on where and how they carry that additional weight. Is it low enough to offset that inherent disadvantage?

Good questions, Don. Things I would like to know myself. What I do know is all the bikes I listed weigh over 500lbs, with the Energica close to 600.

[LAB3]

Good questions, Don. Things I would like to know myself. What I do know is all the bikes I listed weigh over 500lbs, with the Energica close to 600.

5-600 is awfully heavy if you're looking to downsize but my guess is it makes for a solid, stable ride out on the road. Cross winds play havoc on a light bike!

[RichDesmond]

...I would be very interested in where the center of gravity feels to be...

I rode a Zero last year. CoG didn't feel much different than an ICE bike.
It was a fun ride though.

[rphillips]

Wondering about wgt. of E bike to the ICE. Aren't there new batts. that are appx. 66% lighter than the lead acid that we're use to? That should go a long way toward the extra wgt. we think of for the E bikes.