Any LEOs or DMV people here

[Rob S.]

he sad he will give me the 190 to pay the ticket.

Let us know when that happens.

[chuck hahn]

Rob. The replacement title will be in my name. So if he wants to keep the van for his mom hell pay. He for sure will not get this title till he pays up. And the notice will be filed this time.

[Rob S.]

Just curious - how long have you known this guy?

I'm the trusting type, so this could have happened to me.

[chuck hahn]

5-6 years roughly...........................

[argonsagas]

A bill of sale s ALWAYS a good thing to make and keep/

I sold a bike a few years ago, got all the money in cash, kept the plate and the new owner rode away in the evening without a plate on the bike.Gave him a bill of sale that listed his name, address and his driving licence number.

A year later I got a call from the police asking about the bike.....
The bike had just been stopped for speeding.
Cops found the rider had never transferred it into his name, had no insurance.
He was also using a stolen plate, so they seized the bike, then ran a check on the bike's serial number and came up with my name as registered owner..

I had the bill of sale, signed by him as well as me, and gave the cops the details....including his driving licence info.

Cop said thanks, that was all he needed.. Nothing for me to worry about.

That was the end of the story for me.

[bwringer]

This is a reminder that the 50 state DMVs (and BMVs, etc.) are 50 separate fiefdoms that loathe and rabidly mistrust each other (and you) and each has their own bizarre and completely different sets of rules, regulations, as well as practices, customs, and unwritten rules that have nothing to do with the regs. "Byzantine" doesn't even begin to cover the situation.

In Indiana, there is no form or process I've ever found for disavowing a vehicle you've sold to someone else. It's entirely on the new owner to complete the title transfer within 45 days, and you are expected to remove your plate (plates "belong" to the owner around here) and trust, childlike, in the new owner's good intentions.

There's also no form or process for transporting a car with a temporary plate (technically speaking there is, but it's exactly as much trouble as just getting the goddurn title and plate, so there's no point)... which makes buying/selling out of state or at a distance a giant pain in the ass unless you have a trailer. (And there are many other twists that make buying/selling vehicles out of state a giant pain as well.)

Anyway, I tend to use up vehicles to the bitter, bitter end of their lifetime and sell them very cheap. I've been bit by penniless morons like this twice when selling cheap old cars, and lessons were learned.

Fortunately, I also had a signed Bill of Sale for each, and once I explained the situation to Mr. Angry Police Officer, provided the new owner's info, and offered to send the BoS as proof, he dropped the stupid shouty act.

So... BoS, photocopy of DL, photocopy of signed title, and ascertain beforehand if the buyer actually has an insurance quote and the money on hand to get the vehicle insured and registered. You'd be surprised how many people accumulate, say, $900 in couch change and then try to buy $2,000 motorcycles and cars. "Kin I make payments?"

Overall, I also try to avoid selling to people I know. When I sell something, I never want to see it again, and it damn sure doesn't have a warranty. Lose my number. I've learned the hard way that selling to family and friends puts an unbreakable rubber band on the thing.

Overall, selling to, you know, functional adults helps the most.