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  • ddaniels
    Forum Guru
    • Aug 2009
    • 5590
    • Dayton, OH

    #1

    Valve adjustment

    When changing shins in an adjustment, is it preferred to shoot for the middle of the acceptable range or the top of the range?
    Current Bikes:
    2001 Yamaha FZ1 (bought same one back)
  • Grimly
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    • Sep 2012
    • 5760
    • Ireland

    #2
    Originally posted by ddaniels
    When changing shins in an adjustment, is it preferred to shoot for the middle of the acceptable range or the top of the range?
    I leave them at the looser end, to buy more time between adjustments.
    Dave
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    • Brendan W
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      • Jul 2013
      • 4920
      • Wexford, Ireland

      #3
      Go loose. They are tight enough already and going on the high side will take care of tolerances in the measurement and provide a bit of insurance.
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      • ddaniels
        Forum Guru
        • Aug 2009
        • 5590
        • Dayton, OH

        #4
        Ok thank you. One more and we'll have a consensus
        Current Bikes:
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        • Rich82GS750TZ
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          • Jun 2018
          • 5566
          • Mifflinburg, PA / Land of Tar & Chip

          #5
          I’ve always read that you should adjust to the higher end of the spec as clearance will get tighter over time.
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          • ddaniels
            Forum Guru
            • Aug 2009
            • 5590
            • Dayton, OH

            #6
            Ok I just ordered some shims. I'll get close to the upper end but since I can only get shims in .05 mm increments, I can't get right on. This is for the FZ1 by the way.
            Current Bikes:
            2001 Yamaha FZ1 (bought same one back)

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            • Steve
              GS Whisperer
              • Jun 2005
              • 35924
              • southwest oHIo

              #7
              I am guessing that the valves and seats will wear much like the GS bikes, always going tighter, so start with them on the looser side.

              Many of us will go just past the spec on a GS, you might be able to do that, as well.

              What are the specs for your engine?

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              • ddaniels
                Forum Guru
                • Aug 2009
                • 5590
                • Dayton, OH

                #8
                Originally posted by Steve
                I am guessing that the valves and seats will wear much like the GS bikes, always going tighter, so start with them on the looser side.

                Many of us will go just past the spec on a GS, you might be able to do that, as well.

                What are the specs for your engine?
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                • Steve
                  GS Whisperer
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 35924
                  • southwest oHIo

                  #9
                  At least you have more than one increment below your minimum clearance.

                  GS engines are 'fun' because the minimum clearance is below most feeler gauges, and just below the minimum clearance is ZERO, where things start to get 'interesting'.

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                  mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                  hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                  #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                  #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                  Family Portrait
                  Siblings and Spouses
                  Mom's first ride
                  Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
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                  • ddaniels
                    Forum Guru
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 5590
                    • Dayton, OH

                    #10
                    I went and measured all my shims with a micrometer last night. Every single one of them was less than what was marked on them. I will still be ok with what I ordered but will be .01 mm over the max on a couple of them. I'm guessing that will still be ok, but maybe some ticking as a result?
                    Current Bikes:
                    2001 Yamaha FZ1 (bought same one back)

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                    • Steve
                      GS Whisperer
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 35924
                      • southwest oHIo

                      #11
                      If you can hear the ticking with that little bit of extra clearance, just turn down your hearing aids.

                      I can't really hear any difference with the extra clearance in my valves, can't say that I really feel any difference in power, but I do go longer between needing to make any changes.

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                      mine: 2000 Honda GoldWing GL1500SE and 1980 GS850G'K' "Junior"
                      hers: 1982 GS850GL - "Angel" and 1969 Suzuki T250 Scrambler
                      #1 son: 1986 Yamaha Venture Royale 1300 and 1982 GS650GL "Rat Bagger"
                      #2 son: 1980 GS1000G
                      Family Portrait
                      Siblings and Spouses
                      Mom's first ride
                      Want a copy of my valve adjust spreadsheet for your 2-valve per cylinder engine? Send me an e-mail request (not a PM)
                      (Click on my username in the upper-left corner for e-mail info.)

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                      • bwringer
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                        #12
                        It's pretty common to go .02mm over on GS shims, up to .10mm. And there's absolutely no difference in engine noise; that's not enough added clearance to make a ticking sound, even if you didn't have the general cacophony of a running engine.
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