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1980 GS850GLT - Getting her back up to riding condition

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Do yourself a favor & replace the clutch springs now.. you will definitely need to if they are on low end of spec.

Also if you don't want to get the APE clutch hub nut, the 1150 one is an upgrade to the other models (it's a different socket size & a different material). :)
 
Do yourself a favor & replace the clutch springs now.. you will definitely need to if they are on low end of spec.

Also if you don't want to get the APE clutch hub nut, the 1150 one is an upgrade to the other models (it's a different socket size & a different material). :)

That's good advice, thanks. I think I'll at least wait until I get the engine back on the bike, as I think can do this just as easily with it on the frame. But next time I order parts, I'll make sure to add the springs to the order, and replacing the springs will be at the top of list of things to do after the first couple of rides.

For the clutch hub nut, do you really think I should replace it if it's in there 100% solid right now?

Edit: After looking a bit closer, I guess I'll have to remove the exhaust to get to the clutch cover? If that's the case, maybe I'll go ahead and order those springs now and get them in before I put the exhaust back on.
 
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Big Update: Lots of work over the last week

Big Update: Lots of work over the last week

Sorry it's been a while since I posted. Had a lot going on over the last week.


Anyway, I've made a lot of progress in the last week, but almost 75% of it has been just a lot of cleanup. I'll post the list below and then comment on the high points below that:


Completed:
- Cleaned out #4 carb and reassembled
- Re-ganged carbs and set aside
- Removed valves and springs
- Cleaned up head completely
- Cleaned up jugs completely
- Spent 3 evenings on getting base gasket removed from bottom of jugs. (whew!)
- Brought head and jugs to machine shop to get head gasket surface skimmed, picked up 2 days later
- Tried installing vesra valve seals, too cheap and broke on installation
- Ordered viton valve seals (from ebay, as per advice on the forum)
- Lapped valves
- Picked up head gasket from local dealer
- Measured piston ring end gap to ensure spec. All good there.
- Removed old piston rings
- Cleaned carbon off of pistons


Carbs are all ready to go. No big trouble there.


The base gasket (thankfully) came off completely with the jugs when I removed them. Cleaning off the 40 year old base gasket was the most difficult gasket removal I have ever done, and I've been wrenching cars since I was a kid. The only way I was able to get it off was a combination of brake cleaner, a carbide scraper tool, razor blade, and a yellow 3M Roloc Bristle disc on an air die grinder. After I finally got it off, I did go over the surface with some 320 grit aluminum oxide sandpaper. I was very careful to clean all of this off the surfaces and surrounding area.


I measured the head gasket area with a precision steel ruler and feeler gauges and found more gaps than I liked (most in the .003-.004" range), and since I'll be using a multi-layer steel gasket, which is less forgiving than the original, I opted to bring both the head and jugs to a machine shop to get both mating surfaces completely flat. The head had almost a mirror finish after it was done.

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Anyway, I also decided not to remove the pistons from the rods, because the service manual says you have to replace the circlips when you do. So I just kept them in place and stuffed towels around them while I cleaned them off.

Up next:
- Hone cylinders
- Add new piston rings
- Reassemble valves in head
- Put jugs on crankcase (with oem gasket and generous hylomar)
- Put head on jugs (with oem mls head gasket and very thin coat of hylomar)
- Put valve buckets, shims, camshafts back on
- Put cam chain tensioner back on
- Check tappet valve clearances now
 
Progress stuck on cylinders #1 and #4

Progress stuck on cylinders #1 and #4

Well guys, I messed up big-time and got my #1 and #4 pistons jammed in their cylinders. I'm at a standstill here and not sure what to do. :(
I'm pretty upset with myself as things were going along swimmingly until I decided to try to use some force where I shouldn't have. Looks like this will be an expensive lesson for me.

More details on the thread here: https://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?259622-Pistons-1-and-4-lodged-on-reinstall
 
Pistons unstuck, parts ordered

Pistons unstuck, parts ordered

I got the pistons unstuck from the cylinder block last night and there are minor scratches on the side of the pistons and in the cylinder sleeves. Nothing that some filing and honing can't solve though. I got lucky!

So I ordered another set of piston rings and base gasket, along with other parts (some tappet shims, clutch springs, other gaskets/seals I needed), and I should get the parts in a week or so (hopefully!)

In the meantime, I've got some more cleaning to do on the frame and wheels, I've got new tires to put on, and an airbox to clean and re-seal.
 
Front Wheel + Brakes

Front Wheel + Brakes

I ordered another set of OEM parts to get the engine together, but I expect it will take over a week to get here (with the holiday and all), so I've turned my attention to the rest of the bike and what needs to be looked over and done.

Monday, I tackled the bike head on and removed the front calipers and front wheel. After lots of cleaning, I then got out my spoons and wrestled with a very old tire that did not want to let go. The rim made it through with minimal scratches, I'm happy to say. After that, I continued to take disassemble one of the calipers and inspected the rest of the brake system. I've never had any trouble with the brakes on this bike, however, I know the fluid hasn't been changed like it should have. So I made the decision to replace all the brake lines and rebuild both master cylinders and all the calipers. After scouring the forums here, I went with an Earl's setup, and I'll be replacing the brake switch wiring with a couple of hydraulic banjo bolt switches.

Now I 'm waiting on even more parts. :D

At least I have tires to put on the wheels while I wait.
In addition, I got some wiring and components in order to make a bench starter system. More on that later, but the plan is to test the cylinder compression of the engine while it's on the bench before reinstalling it into the frame.
 
Back wheel, brake, fender

Back wheel, brake, fender

While waiting for more parts for the engine, I tidied up, organized more parts in ziploc bags, and got a few other things done:

- Mounted tire on front wheel, temporarily mounted front wheel on bike so I can work on back
- Removed back wheel and brake
- Cleaned back wheel, removed old tire
- Cleaned back brake assembly, put in ziploc bag
- Removed back fender and cleaned
- Rewired brake light, license plate light, turn signals
- Reassembled rear fender

The rear wheel area was the last part of the bike I hadn't deep cleaned yet and boy was it dirty. Layers of oil, grit and grime inside the fender and on the wheel. Engine degreaser, brake cleaner, scotch brite pads, shop towels, small brass brushes and the trusty old toothbrush were the best tools to get it all. Whew! My old jeans were so grimy I had to change them before reassembling because I was getting everything dirty just by placing it on my lap!

In other news, I've decided to start rewiring the bike from back to front. I've worked on this wire harness piecemeal several times and I figure it's just time to replace it all. I'm very comfortable with this kind of work, so I don't anticipate problems here. I'm being careful to use matching colored wires when possible and marking the ends of each wire with colored electrical tape that matches the wiring diagram (e.g. a piece of black tape and white tape next to each other for the common wire, etc.)

Also, this is the first time I've changed my own tires, and that front tire was really old so I struggled a bit, but I'm developing my own practices with the spoons and getting the beads broken, so I'm learning a lot there.
 
I have broken my carburetor of the gs 850gl 32mm, and I could not find it, someone knows where I can get it or if I can replace it with some other brand, thanks
 
I have broken my carburetor of the gs 850gl 32mm, and I could not find it, someone knows where I can get it or if I can replace it with some other brand, thanks

Hi neo, I think you'll want to make this a new post. Not many people will see it here. Also, make sure to include the year of your 850, it matters.
 
Progress on wheels, tires, electrical

Progress on wheels, tires, electrical

I spent a couple more hours Monday evening on the bike:

- Mounted new back tire
- Balanced back and front tire, (6 weights on back, 2 weights on front)
- Tested tail light wiring (just used alligator wires and the battery from the bike)
- Re-mounted back wheel
- Took off left-side electrical panel for mounting new fusebox

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Nice and clean!

I had some difficulty with getting the rear tire to inflate. I ended up wrapping a ratchet strap around the thing and tightening it down to make it seal against the inner part of the wheel. This allowed me to air it up and get the beads to pop into place.

That's about it. I'm getting some parts in now and should have plenty to do over the next few days!
 
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Last Big Update: It's complete!

Last Big Update: It's complete!

Okay folks, so I had a week off of work before I started a new job, so I spent most of that time--you guessed it--working on the bike!

I'm very happy to say that my GS850 is up and running again, license plates renewed, and I've put about 120 miles on her since getting her going again. I'll try to summarize everything I did and for a few things that I think might be helpful, I'll post new threads for further discussion.

1. Completely re-wired the entire motorcycle, replaced the wiring harness, fuse box, and all connectors, and added several upgrades (I will post a new thread on this with more details)
2. Rebuilt the forks, using the guide from the bikecliff site. I used sonic springs, and aftermarket seals and dust covers from z1 enterprises, and new fork oil from z1 (make sure to get 2 bottles!)
3. Rebuilt both front calipers and the rear caliper with aftermarket rubber parts. (so much brown sludge under the pistons!). Replaced back pads with orange EBC semi-sintered (front pads still on order).
4. Rebuilt both the front and back master cylinders with OEM rebuild kits (each came with new piston and seals) (again, more sludge)
5. Replaced all brake lines with Earl's brake lines and fittings (I read about this on the Earl's thread)
6. Back to the engine, put new piston rings on, added OEM base gasket (liberally smeared with Hylomar Blue), gently slid cylinder block down on pistons (used fingers and plastic trim tool to compress rings)
7. Replaced head on block with OEM MLS head gasket (thinly smeared with Hylomar Blue)
8. Replaced camshafts (used assembly lube in the journals)
9. Checked tappet shim clearances and adjusted shims to be in tolerances again (strangely, most were a bit loose. I would have expected them to be tighter from valve lapping, not looser)
10. From here, I used a home-built rig to test compression on the bench. I'll post a new thread on this as well to show how I did this. Compression was around 150 PSI for all 4 cylinders! Success!
11. Since I had ordered more REAL Gaskets and got them in, I replaced the oil pan gasket and stator cover gasket. I tried replacing the clutch gasket, but the REAL Gasket I got for that wasn't right.
12. I replaced the clutch springs with 3 OEM, and three EBC after market (+15%) springs.
13. I put the valve cover back on (I reused the REAL Gasket for this from 7 years ago, still in great condition!)
14. I reinserted the engine back into the frame (using my engine crane and holding the engine with a pull-strap looped twice around the block/jugs)
15. Re-mounted engine, engine guards, exhaust, pegs, brake pedal, kickstand, etc.
16. Re-mounted carbs and airbox, connected throttle, clutch, fuel line.
17. Fired her up! I didn't even need any starter fluid, just a twist of the throttle. Then adjusted the idle.
18. Balanced carb idle screws. (Hung up temporary fuel tank (a cut-out 80w oil bottle) and carb balancer (motion pro fluid manometer) and ran a fan in front of the bike)
19. Used a colortune on each cylinder to adjust idle a bit more.
20. Rebuilt (standard, not vacuum) fuel petcock as it was crudded up a bit and not flowing freely.
21. Reinstalled tank and added inline paper fuel filter since the tank has a bit of rust in it.
22. #2 still showing a bit cooler on the exhaust header than the others, so I got her out to ride a bit and break her in a bit and run at higher throttle.
23. Re-added my Garmin Zumo 350 and mount (and wireless tire pressure gauges)
24. After riding over the weekend, I followed the BikeCliff instructions on using EvapoRust on the tank. I let it sit for 4 days, and still had a bit of residual rust leftover, unfortunately.
25. I fixed the fuel sending unit as it was broken in two places (I'll post a new thread on this with pictures on how I did it)
26. Replaced the broken tachometer cable, used motion pro lube and tool to lube both tach and speedo cables
27. Re-added the tank with a new petcock (old one was leaking just a little), new paper filter, got the air bubbles out of the fuel line

Notes about the above:

- For the fork rebuild, I wasn't able to use air pressure to pop the seals loose. I had to use a sharp awl and hammer it into the middle of the old seal and pry it out that way.

- The caliper pistons were very stubborn to get out. I had success with an air compressor set to about 80-100 PSI and a rubber-tipped air nozzle pressed hard into the banjo thread hole (don't forget to tighten up the bleeder bolt first!) And I was careful to face the piston down onto the table because man, do they fly when they finally pop out!

- For the front master cylinder, the circlip was really difficult to remove because it's deep in there. Even the right-angle long snap ring pliers wouldn't work. I ended up using a pair of forceps as makeshift snap-ring pliers and that worked better than anything else.

- For the brake system in general, I really recommend rebuilding the entire brake system all at once for any bike that hasn't been regularly serviced in this way. There was so much sludge in every part of the system that rebuilding part of it would just have distributed the sludge around the new parts.

- For the head gasket, I originally had included the rectangular o-ring around the cam chain, but when I tightened the head down, the o-ring popped out into the cam chain area in a few places. I loosened up the head and removed the o-ring and was more liberal with the Hylomar Blue in that area to make up for it. Hopefully loosening and tightening the head on the head gasket doesn't result in any leaks.

- Using an engine crane for taking the engine in/out is a bit of overkill, but it's really nice to have it well supported while positioning it in the frame.

- I forgot to mount the kickstand before the exhaust, so I had to loosen the exhaust mounting enough to wiggle in the kickstand mounting bolts. Not fun. I should have mounted the kickstand first.

- A heat gun on the carb boots works wonders for getting the carbs back on. Much easier!

- After my motion pro fluid carb balancer had sat for 5+ years, a lot of the fluid had dried up and it didn't work right. Good thing I purchased a refill kit when I bought it. It took about an hour to go through the refill process.

So after all of that, she's definitely back up to riding condition. I've had her up over 70 MPH so far with no major issues. And I still owe you all 3 more posts (custom wiring harness, bench starter circuit, fuel sending unit fix)

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Wow. Well done. That’s a ton of work. If you’re interested in how to post more and better pictures on the forum, I’m sure we’d all be interested in seeing them. I have written instructions on how to use Imgur to do this, linked in my signature.
 
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