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2 regulators installed? Why me

open1mind

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So after letting dealerships mess with this bike on and off for a decade, I am forced to DIY. Stand ready for loud booms.

About 8+ years ago I had a charging problem and a local dealer installed a Ricks R/R, and a Stator. Some intermittent fuse blowing and other probs, but things have generally performed ok. Keep in mind, my 79 GS 1000e is a sunday driver. Only about 600 miles a year, and it lives on a battery tender all of the time.

Last summer, for some reason I decided to put a voltmeter on it. Only about 12.5 MAX, and idle with lights on it was under 12. I thought that I would start with the easy stuff so I tried an updated maintenance free battery. No progress. I have read the stator papers and other sources, so I know it should be closer to 14v.

So, off to a new trusted dealer it went. They said they found some corroded connections at the stator wires.- and used solder instead of bullets. Ok, so when I got home, on goes the multimeter. Still way under spec- never gets close to 13v.

After some careful alcohol intake, I decided to dive in. Out comes the air box and battery. Plan A was to check for corroded wires and a bad ground. First observation- the ground wire on my bike, I think, is really hard to get at. Hidden under the carbs on engine, near the pressure switch, yes? There were no obviously corroded connections or other maladies present.

So, I took a look at the wiring diagram and hardware on the bike....drumroll. I see BOTH the stock R/R and the Rick's one are still there- both with some wires connected to them. WTH??? why would someone use both?

The Ricks one is an older model, and they seem to have replaced it with a more current model on the web page. Now I am left with challenge of trying to figure out the spaghetti of how they are both connected into various wires. This is going to be a project.

PS- it has an aftermarket ignition system, so that might be part of this mystery.
 
I see BOTH the stock R/R and the Rick's one are still there- both with some wires connected to them...


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R/Rs installed? I want to see pictures of that! I need to confirm someone attached the 3 stator wires or whatall to two devices. It seems awfully unlikely and I can't help thinking you are mistaken.
 
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The biggest mystery to me is ... WHAT BIKE???
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79 GS1000E Sunday Rider... ��

Maybe one is the regulator and the other the rectifier. I'd like to see how they mounted and wired it...
 
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The biggest mystery to me is ... WHAT BIKE???
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I'll guess it's the 79 gs1000e.....I imagine it came with the seperate rectifier and regulator ...hopefully 8 years ago they corrected this. That stator that they put in...how many poles on it?
Attached pic shows a stator with 18 poles..what's yours got?
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I have not yet pulled the stator cover off. As noted, I was hoping my problem was just an easy to find corroded connection or ground- but this set looks so loopy that I just decided to order a current reg/rect from Rick's and a new stator. since I am likley to end up pulling things apart, I am waiting for them to arrive and stopped work for a few days.

Maybe Ive got this all wrong, but as you can see from the vids the two R/Rs seem to wire into the stator and also into the harness. I have read that the stock one was designed to wire up to the ignition or the headlight? At least thats what my factory service manual and wiring diagram seem to show.

Good grief
 
Forget how it's wired now, just rewire it correctly. There are dozens of threads on this in the archives. Look up some of Pos's threads and if they are too complicated use the one posted below. Oh, and you need to rev the engine up to 5000 rpm in order to check charging voltage. Don't check at idle.

SH775 Install by nessism, on Flickr
 
Stop fighting! Most of us have had charging issues. Hold off on buying stuff . Get that stator cover off and check that you have a matched stator/rotor....start with the basics and avoid a quickee approach
 
Who's fighting?

If I am going to pull apart the wiring, and start from scratch, I would rather only do this once.
The cost of the new components dont scare me, and the RR that was installed doesnt match the new spec number from Rick's so I think it is the wrong one anyway.

I just drained the oil since I do a filter and fluids on the bike every winter, so I will pull the stator cover off when the new arrives. Whats so controversial about that?

I am pretty confident of how to install the new RR if I was just replacing a stock set up. The challenge here is that the other folks that worked on the bike have cut into the harness, (see vids) and now I am reflecting on how to handle that.

Totally get it that new stator can just plug and play with a new RR, but I am thinking that i need to do something to reconnect the wires in the harness correctly.
 
Who's fighting?

If I am going to pull apart the wiring, and start from scratch, I would rather only do this once.
The cost of the new components dont scare me, and the RR that was installed doesnt match the new spec number from Rick's so I think it is the wrong one anyway.

I just drained the oil since I do a filter and fluids on the bike every winter, so I will pull the stator cover off when the new arrives. Whats so controversial about that?

I am pretty confident of how to install the new RR if I was just replacing a stock set up. The challenge here is that the other folks that worked on the bike have cut into the harness, (see vids) and now I am reflecting on how to handle that.

Totally get it that new stator can just plug and play with a new RR, but I am thinking that i need to do something to reconnect the wires in the harness correctly.

You probably do not realize you bought a shunt R/R from Ricks. That is a very bad thing to do. Most people are buying SH-775's these days.

https://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?191795-GS-Stator
 
Who's fighting?

If I am going to pull apart the wiring, and start from scratch, I would rather only do this once.
The cost of the new components dont scare me, and the RR that was installed doesnt match the new spec number from Rick's so I think it is the wrong one anyway.

I just drained the oil since I do a filter and fluids on the bike every winter, so I will pull the stator cover off when the new arrives. Whats so controversial about that?

I am pretty confident of how to install the new RR if I was just replacing a stock set up. The challenge here is that the other folks that worked on the bike have cut into the harness, (see vids) and now I am reflecting on how to handle that.

Totally get it that new stator can just plug and play with a new RR, but I am thinking that i need to do something to reconnect the wires in the harness correctly.

If you want a reliable charging system do NOT plug in the stator and/or R/R to the factory harness other than maybe the + out. Read what's been written here; run the stator wires direct into the R/R. The factory harness has needlessly complicated routing scheme that can cause problems. And as pos states, get a SH775, not a shunt R/R.
 
So, everyone seems pretty committed to the SH775. I can take a hint, so I will order one of those. What is the best source? Can I trust ebay?https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Can-Am...710001103-SH775-Polaris-4012941-/264299910154

If the consensus is "dont connect the RR to the wiring harness or ignition wires like the stock system", then what the heck do I do with those wires that were cut into by the previous well intended folks. It sure doesnt look like I can just bullet them back together and turn the key - see vids.

Also, what does everyone use on the sh775 to connect to wires, this thing:https://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-Connect...gen-Mosfet-type-SH775-w-out-wire/263909479948
 
Can I trust ebay?

NO, lots of fakes around.


I think that is the best source for a new one.
I have bought 2, seller is great at communicating.

What may be of interest : seller made a mistake on the customs declaration,
which cost me extra on import charges.
The seller immediately responded, and offered to refund the amount
i had lost, and did.

Just saying, stand-up seller as far as i am concerned.
 
It's a bit hard to tell from your videos which are the stator wires. It appears to be the ones coming from the shrink wrap on the left.

So, never ever take your bike back to the shop that did this.

Check for corrosion in your entire system, including the switches, especially the ignition switch

Then, revamp the wiring as needed. I recently switched to a 775 to resolve some issues. I just ran some jumper wires from the harness to the R/R
 
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