A quick question abought a Dyna 2000 and oil cooler plumbing

[rocz]

Is I'm sure most of you have seen I have just picked up a GS powered GSXR that has been fitted with a set of twin oil coolers and also a Dyna 2000 ignition. My first question is do they have the plumbing setup right for the twin oil coolers (SEE PICTURES)?? And also is their some special timing indicator needed to set the timing of the Dyna ignition plate like there is for the GSXR motors, or a good place to read about the setup procedure. I called Dyna of Friday to talk to them but after 45min on hold I just gave up.

 

[Nessism]

The pickup points for the cooler look right but the rest looks ridicules; that's an air cooled engine, 1/3 of one of those coolers is all that's needed. You are going to have serious oil pressure loss though those coolers, which will have a negative effect on your entire oiling system. Plus, the oil will be over cooled which is not good - too much of a good thing. I'd take the entire mess off. The top end oiling system may have some merit but not those coolers.

 

[tlg1100]

thats one cool motor,

 

[Guest]

For the dyna 2000 you can download the installation and setupinstrucktions form their web page (http://www.dynaonline.com/skins/downloads/) or pm me an email address and I could send them to you.

Also check to see if the oil filter cover is from an 1150 otherwise those coolers are doing nothing

 

[rocz]

Thanks for that link, i was looking on there the other day but didnt see the instruction for the GS till today my bad should look a little better

 

[rocz]

Also check to see if the oil filter cover is from an 1150 otherwise those coolers are doing nothing[/QUOTE]


Whats the difference between a 1100 and a 1150 cover??

 

[posplayr]

The pickup points for the cooler look right but the rest looks ridicules; that's an air cooled engine, 1/3 of one of those coolers is all that's needed. You are going to have serious oil pressure loss though those coolers, which will have a negative effect on your entire oiling system. Plus, the oil will be over cooled which is not good - too much of a good thing. I'd take the entire mess off. The top end oiling system may have some merit but not those coolers.

Ed,
I think the cooler arrangement is actually well thought out. Assuming the rear adapter is just splitting off instead of capturing all the flow then the cooler is only cooling the oil flow to the top end oiler. There is still plenty of oil flow directly to the transmission and crankshaft gallery's. I'm assuming that the cylinder block has all the normal ports from flow.

The cooler is are completely hidden behind the fairing.
Jim

 

[Nessism]

Well thought out? Well maybe, if the intended use is doing a Cannonball run though Death Valley.

That cooler system is actual two seperate cooler circuits: a general purpose cooler working off the oil feed ports just below the oil filter housing - feeding the cooler on the RH side, and the LH cooler feeding the top end oiler working off the oil distribution cavity under the carburetors. Massive over kill at work here, and potentially harmful since a) the oil is not likely to ever come up to proper temperature to boil off condensation (short of race conditions), and b) since there well be pumping losses, and possible leaks, with that much plumbing. The pumping losses can be offset somewhat by using different gears on the oil pump but still, I can't figure out the basic question of why the need for all that cooling capacity?

 

[lucabond]

In order to set the static timing on your Dyna 2000 you need a timing plate from a bike that used points. Is a brass plate in the shape of the leter"c" it has the mark (point) on it used to set the timing. I have the same ignition and have been down this road. If your bike came with electronic ignition from the factory the motor won't have the timing plate since that timing wasn't adjustable.
Its simple once you borrow a plate as you can set it make some marks and then take it off you don't need it once set. I used 1 from an 850 on my 1100 it fit fine so I assume it's the same. When you have the timing plate the directions will make sence.
And with the 2000 its easy just rotate the pickup plate till the light on the 2000 comes on and look at the rotor to see what # lines up with the mark on the plate that is where the timing is currently set. To adjust it loosen the 2 pickup screws and move the pickup some then slide the plate till the light comes on. Once you set 1 side do the same to the other side. Good luck

 

[Guest]

Also check to see if the oil filter cover is from an 1150 otherwise those coolers are doing nothing

Whats the difference between a 1100 and a 1150 cover??[/QUOTE]


The 1150 came factory with an oil cooler so the filter cover was designed to block oil flow and sent it to the cooler before going through the filter. Katman has a pretty good write up with pictures. http://robwilton.com/katana_engine.html

 

[TeamDar]

The cooler that is feeding the top end oiler is only feeding the left side of the head! The oil can't jump through the cam chain tunnel to oil the right side top end. There should be one line going to each side of the head, not two lines feeding the left side only. Dar

 

[Nessism]

The cooler that is feeding the top end oiler is only feeding the left side of the head! The oil can't jump through the cam chain tunnel to oil the right side top end. There should be one line going to each side of the head, not two lines feeding the left side only. Dar

Good point here! I missed this detail (can you tell I'm a 2V guy?).

 

[rocz]

Thanks for all the help here guys. I kinda thought that the way they had these coolers set up was a little odd. Would a motor like this stay cool on the street with say one of those coolers. The body work for on the front is kinda trashed and i think it would be easier to replace it than try to fix it and if i changed to a single cooler in the front i wouldn't have to modify it as much.

 

[rocz]

In order to set the static timing on your Dyna 2000 you need a timing plate from a bike that used points. Is a brass plate in the shape of the leter"c" it has the mark (point) on it used to set the timing. I have the same ignition and have been down this road. If your bike came with electronic ignition from the factory the motor won't have the timing plate since that timing wasn't adjustable.
Its simple once you borrow a plate as you can set it make some marks and then take it off you don't need it once set. I used 1 from an 850 on my 1100 it fit fine so I assume it's the same. When you have the timing plate the directions will make sence.
And with the 2000 its easy just rotate the pickup plate till the light on the 2000 comes on and look at the rotor to see what # lines up with the mark on the plate that is where the timing is currently set. To adjust it loosen the 2 pickup screws and move the pickup some then slide the plate till the light comes on. Once you set 1 side do the same to the other side. Good luck

Is this plate something that stayed on the bike if it had points or was this a timing plate you just bolt on and set the timing and take it off like the plate for the GSXR Dyna ignition??

 

[posplayr]

The cooler that is feeding the top end oiler is only feeding the left side of the head! The oil can't jump through the cam chain tunnel to oil the right side top end. There should be one line going to each side of the head, not two lines feeding the left side only. Dar

Whoops you are right; I assumed he as running top end oiler to both sides in concert with the dual oil coolers. OK not so well thought out.

 

[posplayr]

Well thought out? Well maybe, if the intended use is doing a Cannonball run though Death Valley.

That cooler system is actual two seperate cooler circuits: a general purpose cooler working off the oil feed ports just below the oil filter housing - feeding the cooler on the RH side, and the LH cooler feeding the top end oiler working off the oil distribution cavity under the carburetors. Massive over kill at work here, and potentially harmful since a) the oil is not likely to ever come up to proper temperature to boil off condensation (short of race conditions), and b) since there well be pumping losses, and possible leaks, with that much plumbing. The pumping losses can be offset somewhat by using different gears on the oil pump but still, I can't figure out the basic question of why the need for all that cooling capacity?

Ed,
I'm assuming this is a "street" 1428 cc motor. Unless he was planning to run a Turbo, the lowest piston kit APE lists is 11.7:1 CR so I bet that bayb gets hot idling in traffic.

I would suggesting buying a rear aftermarket top end oiler and plumbing the two coolers so that each supplies each side of the head. Als owould check that there is not some funny business going on with the plate under the carbarators. He should be splitting the supply for the coolers they not capturing it all.

http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?t=150970

Jim

 

[Nessism]

Thanks for all the help here guys. I kinda thought that the way they had these coolers set up was a little odd. Would a motor like this stay cool on the street with say one of those coolers. The body work for on the front is kinda trashed and i think it would be easier to replace it than try to fix it and if i changed to a single cooler in the front i wouldn't have to modify it as much.

Even one of those coolers is way too much. I'd ditch them both and get something the size of a stock GS1150 cooler. Suzuki knew what they were doing.

 

[lucabond]

Is this plate something that stayed on the bike if it had points or was this a timing plate you just bolt on and set the timing and take it off like the plate for the GSXR Dyna ignition??

Yes it would stay on the bike if you had points I believe but never having owned a GS with points i can't say for sure. But you just need it to set your timing then your done with it. Good luck

 

[Guest]

Even one of those coolers is way too much. I'd ditch them both and get something the size of a stock GS1150 cooler. Suzuki knew what they were doing.

I would have to disagree Ed, having put some miles on a 1261 kitted GS1100 running an 1150 cooler. On a stock bike you would be correct, but even the 1261 runs noticeably hotter than stock, and that is with relatively cooler ambient temps up here....the 1150 size cooler was barely adequate whilst riding in summer....in any kind of heavy traffic situation, 140C (280F) could be expected. I would think a 1428 street monster would generate significantly more heat than the 1261......to me his best option would be to retain both coolers for now, work toward rectifying the top end routing as per Dar's input, and then run a few days, monitoring temps.....it should be pretty simple to replace the cooler that's connected to the normal 1100 outlets with a smaller item, if need be, but IMHO he will probably end up using the capacity he has.

Tony.

 

[Nessism]

I would have to disagree Ed, having put some miles on a 1261 kitted GS1100 running an 1150 cooler. On a stock bike you would be correct, but even the 1261 runs noticeably hotter than stock, and that is with relatively cooler ambient temps up here....the 1150 size cooler was barely adequate whilst riding in summer....in any kind of heavy traffic situation, 140C (280F) could be expected. I would think a 1428 street monster would generate significantly more heat than the 1261......to me his best option would be to retain both coolers for now, work toward rectifying the top end routing as per Dar's input, and then run a few days, monitoring temps.....it should be pretty simple to replace the cooler that's connected to the normal 1100 outlets with a smaller item, if need be, but IMHO he will probably end up using the capacity he has.

Tony.

I concede that an 1150 sized cooler may be inadequate in heavy traffic with a large bore engine, but no F'ing way do you need two huge coolers like the ones shown. One reasonable sized Earl's cooler would have enough capacity and it would be only about 1/3 the size of one of those coolers. The photo below shows the smallest of the curved Earl's coolers. They make all kinds of types and sizes so you can customize, but there is no value in over cooling the oil so pick the cooler carefully.