Bs36 1135 jetting w/cheap pods ??

[GS110X506158]

Hi GS friends,
Thanks for a great forum and greetings from Norway to all the helpful members here!
I have been in and out of this forum a couple of times due to my low activity in winter-season, re-register every springtime is a must when interest for my old Suzuki returns.
I have a 1980 GS with a 1984 1135cm3 and Mikuni BS36 00A00 carburetor, 4 into 2 standard exhaust pipes.
Now I have removed the stock air box (stupid guy you might say) and put on some cheap pods.
Well, since I only drive in nice weather and the air box was in bad shape I decided to learn more about jetting, and I am sure I will. I intend to restore the air box and put it back if I have to, but right now I will try to make the bike run with the pods. I think the carburetors are with original settings, time will show if PO syndrome pops up.
00A00 426 is marked seen from top on left side of bowls so I expect to find similar to what this excellent listing shows in the fifth line from bottom. I don?t know what 426 means. Serial no?

Link below to the jpg with Suzuki GS Carburetor Stock Factory Specifications V 1.3
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/bikecliff/images/carbspec_float_height.html




With the pods and no air box the motor idle nice, but from ? throttle and up it do not follow and falls down. E.g. if i go to 3000rpm and keep this throttle pos, the rpm will start to decrease.
It seems to run to lean and would like to have some guidance by first selecting larger main jets (now 120).
Unsure, but if I have to I will also a try to find new pilot air jets (now 125), recommendations please?

Clip position is 2nd groove from the top according to Haynes. Guess I have to reposition this down to rich up the circuit or?
The Needle jet X-5 and Jet needle 5D59-2 controls from about ? and up to ? and might need change?

Many questions from a newbie.. Guess some will say I should buy a DJ or similar, if so what set will fit? Others will say put back the stock air box and go riding! Yes, maybe I will in the end.

Right now I am reading this interesting page
http://www.factorypro.com/tech_tuning_procedures/tuning_carbtune,CV,high_rpm_engines.html


Regards
Espen

 

[gearhead13]

DJ kit # 3133 is the one you need.
http://www.dynojet.com/pdf/3133.pdf

 

[GS110X506158]

DJ kit # 3133

DJ kit # 3133

Hi,
It says "Using the drill bit provided​

(DD #32) enlarge the slide lift holes (Fig. A). "

Is this a non-reversible operation? :?:

I found a link on EBAY, is this the same as DJ kit # 3133 ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320888283607?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

 

[Guest]

Yes, drilling the hole makes it non-reversible. That kit looks like the same one I just got from Z-1. Should work fine.

 

[GS110X506158]

DJ kit # 3133

DJ kit # 3133

Thanks for that info..i will have to reconcider since i am not sure about successs and there will be no way back to original stock setting w/ original air box.

 

[gearhead13]

I was able to reverse it by using jb weld and redrilling it smaller.

 

[GS110X506158]

Air intake box

Air intake box

Can anyone tell me if there is differences between a air box for 1135 /1150 and a air box for a 1100? Since i use a CV 36 carb i try to verify if my air box type is correct. I have a 1980 1100 frame and 1984 1135 engine. I will serach for some numbers on it tomorrow.
Regards
Espen

 

[GS110X506158]

Air intake box type, does it suit 1135/1150?

Air intake box type, does it suit 1135/1150?

I did not find any number on my box, and nothing in the 1150 section of Haynes either.

Is this air box for a 1100 or 1135/1150?:?: pictures attached

What about a library of various air box'es here in this forum?
View attachment 16451

 

[GS110X506158]

Air intake box type, does it suit 1135/1150?

Air intake box type, does it suit 1135/1150?

View attachment 16452
Regards
espen

 

[GS110X506158]

Air intake box type, does it suit 1135/1150?

Air intake box type, does it suit 1135/1150?

I could buy this for about $100, would this suit my 1135 engine better then the one i have already??

the one i have is shown in previous reply from me..

Regards
Espen

 

[GS110X506158]

I belive my air box is for a 1100CM3 engine. Wonder if it will be wort testing with the one i found on Ebay..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270910842045?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

or maybe buy the DJ and try with cheap pods..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320888283607?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

pods:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360450098491?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649


I tried to wrestle my air box back today, did not make it.
Ended up lowering from 2 to 3groove on the needles. I wonder if this will bee a bit better. Anyway i will test it with the pods i have. Mains are stock 120 . Should i try 125 or 128 maybe.

 

[gearhead13]

9$ EACH for those plus shipping?
I picked up a used set of K&N's for about $50
The DJ kit comes with a 138 DJ main for pods and header, a 138 is around a 127.5 mikuni.

 

[7981GS]

This...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/84-Suzuki-G...es&hash=item5d31a16f64&vxp=mtr#ht_2345wt_1398

And one of these...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUZUKI-GS11...es&hash=item3f138b64bd&vxp=mtr#ht_1253wt_1165

Should be what you need and a new filter, of course.

Eric

 

[TheCafeKid]

9$ EACH for those plus shipping?
I picked up a used set of K&N's for about $50
The DJ kit comes with a 138 DJ main for pods and header, a 138 is around a 127.5 mikuni.

130 Mikuni actually...

The question of the airbox compatibility will be whether or not it will mount in your frame. The 1100 US model had an entirely different frame from the euro 1100/US 1150..

 

[GS110X506158]

Hi,
gearhead13,tnx, is it a must with K&N..what is the diferrence between K&N and these cheap type?

7189GS,tnx, i believe i was not clear in my question. It was about different characteristic between a 1100 and a 1150 air box connected to BS36 00A00 carb.

TheCafeKid, you helped me some years ago with starter clutch tnx! I now lifted the original jet needle 5D59 by lowering to 3groove from top. I know this is not the tapering like on a DJ jet needle but will i have some improvement with this and about 128 main jet and cheap pods?:?:



This fits as a unit in my 1980 frame, it?s just a matter of wrestling/tec to assemble it in the frame..
BS 36 carb and 1100 air box. Does the air box characteristic fit the carb is the question ?




Regards
espen

 

[MisterCinders]

Hi,
gearhead13,tnx, is it a must with K&N..what is the diferrence between K&N and these cheap type?



Regards
espen

K&N are known to be solid. There may be another brand that people have had success with. Maybe EMGO?

In any event, the cheapo pod filters have inconsistent airflow. The K&N pods let in a lot of air, but do so consistently. Thus, you need to rejet for more air, but your increased airflow won't be all over the place. I've heard of some people having cheap pods yield even less air than a stock box.

Spend more for the quality pods, they'll last forever if you periodically clean and re-oil them.

 

[GS110X506158]

Do you think this is EMGO, looks like to me.
pods:
See picture

If someone have a link for K&N pod that will suit BS36 with 54mm OD on the carb inlet side, please post.

You state that other cheap filters have inconsistent air-flow..how is that possible? Do you mean that the small holes is uneven distributed on the or.. please explain

 

[GS110X506158]

One New 54mm Chrome End Clamp On Air Filter

If you are looking for a great looking, high performance alternative to the stock air filter on your bike take a look at this air filter! It is made to be clamped directly to the back of your carb. By installing a filter on each carb you reduce restriction from the air box and, allow each cylinder to breathe on its own. Not only does the engine breathe better, the chrome on the filter makes it look better too.

• Specifications
• 54mm Inside Diameter
• Comes with clamp
• Taper sides
• 3" diameter at base
• 2" Diameter at top
• 3" Tall
• Chrome end cap
• Washable No Oil design

• Should Fit:
• Honda
• CB550 SC
• CB750 K,F
• CB900 to 1982
• CB1000
• CBX1050
• Kawasaki
• GPZ750
• GPZ900
• KZ750 LTD
• KZ1000
• KZ1100

• Suzuki
• All GS 650cc to 1150cc 1980-85
• Yamaha
• XJ550
• XJ900
• FJ600
• FJ1100
• XS1100 1980-81
• FJ1200 1993

Before you purchase please compare the specs of this filter to your bike's and see if it will fit. In order to figure out what size you need measure the outside diameter of your carb where your current air cleaner mounts and that is the size diameter you need. Then make sure that the height of this air filter will fit your bike as well.

Note if you have mutiple carburetors you will need a filter for each carb.

 

[MisterCinders]

Do you think this is EMGO, looks like to me.
pods:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360450098491...84.m1439.l2649

If someone have a link for K&N pod that will suit BS36 with 54mm OD on the carb inlet side, please post.

You state that other cheap filters have inconsistent air-flow..how is that possible? Do you mean that the small holes is uneven distributed on the or.. please explain

Crappy filter media and/or cut-rate manufacturing produce filters that are not uniform in performance. Bad filter media may absorb too much oil and clog. Poor manufacturing may cause gaps between the filter media and the rubber bits that leak air. I'm no engineer, but too many people here have enjoyed nothing but aggravation from cheap pod filters.

Well built respected pod filters that provide steady airflow make jetting hard enough. No reason to pile more headaches on the process just to save a few shekels.

These look like the K&N pods for your carbs (i.e., with a 54mm ID)

 

[GS110X506158]

Thanks MisterCinders, i will call the local dealer next week to get the price. I understand that it will be cleaner air with this media instead of just oiled old-style steel web. On the other hand i can not understand that steel web is not uniform.