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Can I run tubeless

Gotten lots of flats with tubes, and never once heard a bang.

Guess I'm a moron, because I use tubes with tube type wheels, even though the tires can go both ways (tube or tubeless).
 
Nessism said:
Gotten lots of flats with tubes, and never once heard a bang.

Guess I'm a moron, because I use tubes with tube type wheels, even though the tires can go both ways (tube or tubeless).
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You said it.
 
Steve said:
Sharpy, while I respect your time in the business, I have to disagree just a bit. I used to think that, too, but I recently changed a tire on an '81 550L.
It had that "inner step", but was NOT marked "Tubeless Tire Applicable" like the rims are on my bikes.

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Yes thats all good. But if we knew the bike rolled out the door and we did the job "right" at least we haad our arses covered it something happened and there was a insurance company looking for a excuse. I have writing a few times about this situtation and i say do what you want but personally/professionally i wouldnt do it. Always up the the person to listen to all the advice and go from there. NP i say

"Be aware that fitting a tube reduces the speed rating of the tyre, so a W-rated tyre that’s good for 167mph, becomes an H-rated tyre that has a maximum rating of 130mph." Mmmm looks at top of screen and checks. yep its a GS forum. H rated tyres are "safe" for substained 130mph speeds. i have a semi tough GS1000 and i have never did a trip at sustained 130mph. maybe im a woose. All i type is what i know, up to the person to listen to what is written. Have a safe ride tubeless or not.
 
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Nessism said:
Gotten lots of flats with tubes, and never once heard a bang.
Guess I'm a moron, because I use tubes with tube type wheels, even though the tires can go both ways (tube or tubeless).
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Another moron chiming in.
 
So just to be sure of the mindset here, shops won't do it because of liability issues meaning a fault in the legal logic of doing so( a tube in a tubless tire). From a longevity point it lowers the wear and the heat range of the tyre. And then from a safety issue, lowering heat range of a stated range and wear indication. So from a cost, saeftey, and legal argument the choice is made to do so because you can. That's amazing.
Like it was said- your decision.
 
If you look closely at the side of a "TUBELESS" tire, it also has words similar to "On tube-type rim, fit tube." :p

It's not a matter of being a moron for fitting a tube in a "tubeless" tire, it's more a matter of being safety-minded enough to ensure that the air remains where it's intended, when using a wheel with questionable porosity. :-\\\

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Steve said:
If you look closely at the side of a "TUBELESS" tire, it also has words similar to "On tube-type rim, fit tube." :p

It's not a matter of being a moron for fitting a tube in a "tubeless" tire, it's more a matter of being safety-minded enough to ensure that the air remains where it's intended, when using a wheel with questionable porosity. :-\\\

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I understand that for the bikes that originally ran tubes, my point is to the bikes designed to run on tubeless and putting a tube in, it's pointless.
 
Badooka said:
I understand that for the bikes that originally ran tubes, my point is to the bikes designed to run on tubeless and putting a tube in, it's pointless.
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Yes thats correct. but the original thread starter runs a 79 gs1000 that isnt tubleless. how we get so sidetracked?
 
Ambiguity on the subject- all chime in to give 2 cents but on an issue like this where someone can get hurt, I'll risk looking dumb rather than bad advice. For certain no one would want a fellow GS'er getting hurt- that's my stance.
 
I don't think anyone is advocating using a tube on a tubeless type wheel.

Also, "tubeless" tires are safe to use with a tube as Steve mentions.

The question at hand is should Tube Type wheels be converted to run Tubeless. The answer to that is less clear.
 
FWIW, I've always used a tube in for the tires on my bike and knock on wood, I've never had any serious tire related issues.
 
Well in his initial post he just says stock wheels on his 79 1000..but is this the stock wire wheel or mag wheel version...that's not mentioned. The 79 in his signature is an E model which SHOULD have mags..but I assume nothing. If it was an N model it should have the wire rims.

Wire rims always need a tube and rim protection boot so the spokes don't rub thru.

Mags however aren't always marked as for tubeless use or not. So , like Gregory said, to drill the hole to accept a standard tubeless valve stem would let one run tubeless on a mag rim that was not otherwise marked for tubeless use. J

I think the question was more like this..IF a mag rim isn't marked for tubeless use, can you still run it tubeless? Short answer is yes..if modding the stem hole and doing so is what you want to do.

This isn't an endorsement or anything of the sort on my part..I am simply saying that yes it can be done. Weigh your options and act according to what you, yourself, gauges as appropriate.
 
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Steve said:
You're new here, aren't you? :-k :-\\\

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No not new, just had a break as my hand and forehead was getting sore from slapping each other. FYI i said forehead NOT fore#%%#. Thought i confirm that before Simon popped his head in and said something
 
chuck hahn said:
Well in his initial post he just says stock wheels on his 79 1000..but is this the stock wire wheel or mag wheel version...that's not mentioned. The 79 in his signature is an E model which SHOULD have mags..but I assume nothing. If it was an N model it should have the wire rims.

Wire rims always need a tube and rim protection boot so the spokes don't rub thru.

Mags however aren't always marked as for tubeless use or not. So , like Gregory said, to drill the hole to accept a standard tubeless valve stem would let one run tubeless on a mag rim that was not otherwise marked for tubeless use. J

I think the question was more like this..IF a mag rim isn't marked for tubeless use, can you still run it tubeless? Short answer is yes..if modding the stem hole and doing so is what you want to do.

This isn't an endorsement or anything of the sort on my part..I am simply saying that yes it can be done. Weigh your options and act according to what you, yourself, gauges as appropriate.
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Chuck is right on target again. Yes my ride is the E model with mag wheels.

I have the tube inserted but am having a problem with the seating of the bead. Do I have to hear the "pop" to know that the bead is seated?

I cannot make this thing pop for anything. I had it assembled once and could not make it pop, so I took it apart again and cleaned the bead area with steel wool and soaped the tire but still cannot get this thing to pop.

Any suggestions?

Also noted as Steve pointed out that the tire has been stamped tubeless but also states to use a tube on tube type rim.
 
Also, other than soapy water, what kind of lubricants can be used in bead setting?
 
Some tires don't pop when seated, particularly when seating on tube type wheels.

Oh, and soap and water is not the proper lubricant since some soaps are corrosive to aluminum. Using a proper tire lube is the best stuff to use.
 
Nessism said:
Some tires don't pop when seated, particularly when seating on tube type wheels.

Oh, and soap and water is not the proper lubricant since some soaps are corrosive to aluminum. Using a proper tire lube is the best stuff to use.
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Thanks Ed. I have come to learn to respect your input:clap:.
 
Most tires have a molding line at the edge of the tire bead. With the tire installed this line should be uniformly spaced relative to the edge of the wheel. This is how you know the tire is seated. Make sense?
 
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