Designing my own Rectifier/Regulator

[Jon78gs1000]

I think it's fine for him to sell a part for a GS in the GS Resources. Its what its here for. If you dont want to buy it then dont. Some of us will gladly pay him for his knowledge. This is not some info on how a stator works,this is a product that Suzuki couldn't even make! If your offended by it then you have every option not to read this thread.There are threads that I don't like but I don't tell someone they can't say something they want to say.Now all that has happened is that if anyone wanted to buy it of there own free will and money,They can't,because of a few.
The world sure has changed.

 

[Planecrazy]

Mixongw,

You and those who agree with your position need to remember that this thread DID start out as one guy who was trying to use his expertise to improve a problem area on HIS bike, as well as providing a measure of flexibility that NONE of the commercial replacements offer (voltage adjustments, etc.).

The fact that others encouraged him not only to move forward with it, but also to make changes based on their own wants and desires is, in my opinion, what kept the project alive and in the forefront of our public forum. I have absolutely no problem with him benefitting monetarily for his time and efforts, and I certainly didn't ask for any price break for the suggestions I may or may not have contributed to his project.

Now that it HAS evolved into a product that people can buy your suggestion that it be relocated to the "For Sale" section is a good one, not only because the thread has evolved but because those looking for a R/R would naturally search the "For Sale" section first anyway. Nevertheless, your suggestion that Cletus has "crossed the line" or "done something wrong" is completely unfounded unless Frank decides he has.

Remember, this isn't OUR site ... it's Frank's site, and to his credit Frank has shown an amazing amount of patience and leeway in letting the forum evolve into the unique community it is. Having said that I personally think you folks were unnecessarily harsh with Cletus, and thus your reasonable suggestions regarding what to do with this thread were perhaps taken in a way other than how you may have intended it.

Regardless of where the thread winds up, I 100% support Cletus in the manner with which he has conducted himself. He deserves to benefit from his efforts, and nineteen bucks for the plans to a carefully designed product with features that simply don't exist in the mainstream seems like a total bargain to me. If the product performs as well as I expect it to, I have EVERY intention of offering to build these things for others at a very reasonable price for my time and effort, and I don't believe there is any cause to take issue with any part of this plan...

Regards,

 

[Hoomgar]

It figures. This is the first time I opened this thread and only to find out I am too late. Cletus, I would be interested in a finished product offered by you once you have said "bug" worked out. That said, in the spirit of keeping everyone happy, simply do not offer to sell it in this thread anymore. Simply post it in the for sale section, problem solved

Some members will give you grief no matter what you do. Mostly, they are completely full of something and themselves and you simply should not let them get under your skin. I know first hand they do anyway. I encourage you to simply ignore this type of person and continue your effort.

I assure you, you could be offering up your idea for free as a tip to save people money and the same exact individuals will come marching in, belch out sentences worth of BS and lies and give you a hard time there too.

Once again, when you have a "finished" product to offer, please post it in the for sale section so it will be "legal" and let those of us who would like to purchase the plans from you buy it! And yes, you should sell it, don't give it away for free. Like I said above, that wont please them all either so have at it.

Rock on.

 

[Nerobro]

I think the whole problem was tone. Time to crack open a new thread in for sale. Keep this thread open for development and comment. Any sales talk needs to be done in the for sale forum. Simple, easy, clean. No more of the whiney "he's tryingto make a profit" bs.

 

[fastpakr]

I agree, there is NOTHING wrong with selling this product after all the time that's been put in to develop it. I'm not saying try to retire from it, but a bit of profit to recoup your hours and take your wife out to dinner is perfectly acceptible.

 

[mixongw]

Boy! Do I stand corrected! I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone. That was not my intent. I was trying to give my opinion on this. Now, I'm "full of BS", "full of myself", "whiney", "belch out sentences worth of BS and lies", etc., etc. I didn't think I was "harsh" either. Saying all that stuff about me as listed above seems "harsh" to me. I gave my opinion as to what I thought this forum was supposed to be about, and the principle of helping one another. I stand corrected. Thanks for the lesson. I have learned from it. I won't ever do it again. Please don't ban me from the site. Now that I know the rules, I'll shut up and just read. I really do hope this design works. It will solve a lot of problems we all share in with the GS electrical system.

I guess that being an Electrical Engineer myself made me look at this a little differently than the average guy who just wants to fix his bike. I apologize. I will try to be helpful if I can and shut up if I can't.

BTW, I have a circuit that I designed that replaces the petcock with electric solenoid valves. If anyone is interested, I'll try to document it. There will, of course, be no charge. I'm sorry I don't have a fan club.

Jon78gs1000: You are right, "The world sure has changed."

 

[ghwrenchit]

Hey man (mxongw),

Don't bail on the contributions and stand by the wayside reading. We all just need to move on from a thread once in awhile. My only beef with your comment was complete silence regarding the sales aspect, until news broke that it actually worked, and orders started to flow. Thats why "I" suggested to move it to the "For Sale" section at some point. We need to take some comments with a grain of salt sometimes. It is often hard on a board to express a thought or comment with just the keyboard.... and its tends to keep typing minus the human aspect and facial expression into unchartered waters. Hang in buddy.... we need everyone here to make this place work. No harm done IMO...... Peace

Regards

Greg AKA ghwrenchit

 

[bmac]

Forum Veiwers

Forum Veiwers

Input is always important. We are always enlightened one way or another.
That is what this site is all about.



Go Cleytus!!!!!!!!!!

bmac

 

[Planecrazy]

Greg,

I apologize if you were the one who suggested moving the thread to the "For Sale" forum and I implied that it was somebody else. When I addressed my post to Mix I was actually trying to respond to several posts by several people. I also apologize to Mix for singling out his name in the response while trying to address several others as well. His was the first post raising questions of ethics so I began by addressing him.

The point I was trying to make is that the concerns and suggestions could have been made without sounding like an attack from the outset. Mix's subsequent (warranty?) response most definitely struck me as antagonistic, which I just don't think was necessary given the tone of the entire thread to date.

As for you (Mix) "shutting up," nobody told you to withhold your opinion or to refrain in the future, but if you reread your original post you might understand where somebody else might read "judgemental" into it. Cletus certainly didn't start this thread with a "How can I draw people in and make them pay" mentality -- it was others (myself included) who suggested he pursue financial rewards for a great idea.

The idea that this should now be placed in a forum more fitting of its contents makes sense, but the tone with which your opinion (and subsequent opinions agreeing with you) came across was, I believe, different than you intended. No harm, no foul. I think we can all move on without any hard feelings if we choose to. I hope you will too.

Regards,

 

[Hoomgar]

Greg,

I apologize if you were the one who suggested moving the thread to the "For Sale" forum and I implied that it was somebody else.

Just give me the credit Steve, Greg is young, he'll come up with other stuff :lol:

No harm, no foul. I think we can all move on without any hard feelings if we choose to. I hope you will too.

I do. mixongw. I didn't edit my comments directed at you in my last post (that you picked right up on ) because I meant what I said when I said it. It wasn't in a harsh tone though, it was simply in a discouraged and tired tone. It's based on an older issue and is actually just sour grapes that I need to let go of. It isn't right of me to hold onto things. Regardless how YOU came across, I owe you a public apology. Sorry man. As far as I am concerned, we're cool. On all issues.

Mark

 

[mixongw]

I am very over this.

 

[Hoomgar]

I am very over this.

Thanks man. Peace is very important to me. Beers are on me if we ever get to meet up!

 

[ghwrenchit]

Thanks man. Peace is very important to me. Beers are on me if we ever get to meet up!

...... the older ya get, the more beer ya can afford.... Hoomgar say's "Beers for the House", "I'm buyin'" :-D :-D

ghwrenchit

 

[Hoomgar]

...... the older ya get, the more beer ya can afford.... Hoomgar say's "Beers for the House", "I'm brewin'" :-D :-D

ghwrenchit

Just a small correction for ya there buddy. Come on over

 

[Nerobro]

A new idea? An actuall improvement?

A new idea? An actuall improvement?

Hmm.. Theres been some discussion on how to improve the whole r/r thing. How'd you like a R/R that frees up horsepower? Is FREAKING TINY... and helps improve the lifespan of your stator? These are not dreams. They can be done.

 

[UncleMike]

Hmm.. Theres been some discussion on how to improve the whole r/r thing. How'd you like a R/R that frees up horsepower? Is FREAKING TINY... and helps improve the lifespan of your stator? These are not dreams. They can be done.

I'm thinking I missed a thread, but okay, I'll bite.

 

[bakalorz]

Hmm.. Theres been some discussion on how to improve the whole r/r thing. How'd you like a R/R that frees up horsepower? Is FREAKING TINY... and helps improve the lifespan of your stator? These are not dreams. They can be done.

Are you talking about a switching mode regulator ?

 

[Nerobro]

Nope, you didn't miss a thread. It's just relevant to the discussion. ;-) It's time to actually do something "new." I need a day or two to completely sort it out. But the jist of it is this. A switch mode power supply.

The r/r most companies use is a shunt regulator. They keep the voltage under control by sinking enough current to keep the voltage low. That's why r/rs get hotter as engine rpms climb. They are passing more and more current as the rpms go up.

If you disconnect the r/r the stator doesn't heat up. It's not passing current so it doesn't warm up. If you have a r/r that can accept the high voltages that come off the stator. And then make usefull power from that... you've got something. You also only end up taking power off the crank to keep the charge up in the stator. Which would only be on the order of 200w, versus god knows what goes into the r/r's.

So instead of turning horsepower into electrical power, you'd only burn off the power you need to actually power the electrical system on the bike.

Your stator passes the full amperage all the time with a shunt regulator. That's not good. The stator is fairly fine gauge wire to boot. That's a bad thing. No wonder stators and r/r's are such a problem. So, that's the new idea.

Now there are some disadvantages too... instead of your stator being at 14v it will be at anywhere from 20-200v. Which means the r/r now becomes a high voltage component, instead of just a high power component. And there will be some interesting issues with filtering the power going into the power regulation stage. So it's not a holy grail technology wise. It will be a more complex unit. But it may well be better for the bike.

 

[Matt K]

Nope, you didn't miss a thread. It's just relevant to the discussion. ;-) It's time to actually do something "new." I need a day or two to completely sort it out. But the jist of it is this. A switch mode power supply.

The r/r most companies use is a shunt regulator. They keep the voltage under control by sinking enough current to keep the voltage low. That's why r/rs get hotter as engine rpms climb. They are passing more and more current as the rpms go up.

If you disconnect the r/r the stator doesn't heat up. It's not passing current so it doesn't warm up. If you have a r/r that can accept the high voltages that come off the stator. And then make usefull power from that... you've got something. You also only end up taking power off the crank to keep the charge up in the stator. Which would only be on the order of 200w, versus god knows what goes into the r/r's.

So instead of turning horsepower into electrical power, you'd only burn off the power you need to actually power the electrical system on the bike.

Your stator passes the full amperage all the time with a shunt regulator. That's not good. The stator is fairly fine gauge wire to boot. That's a bad thing. No wonder stators and r/r's are such a problem. So, that's the new idea.

Now there are some disadvantages too... instead of your stator being at 14v it will be at anywhere from 20-200v. Which means the r/r now becomes a high voltage component, instead of just a high power component. And there will be some interesting issues with filtering the power going into the power regulation stage. So it's not a holy grail technology wise. It will be a more complex unit. But it may well be better for the bike.

You have my attention!

 

[Pharkmeh]

All credit to ya Cletus...

I noticed this thread when it was first posted and knew str8 away the headaches I would endure trying to understand the tech aspects....

more power to any of you that can....

entrpri... entraprene.... *%#

good ideas like this make the site gr8 - so do all the opinions even to the opposite....

although the thread went alil mad side on the way through - wouldnt be a fun site if it didnt....

In summary - gr8 work following the project through - gr8 contribution to the GSR... and I sincerely hope it does earn you a penny or two...


having said that -whos Bloody shout is it - there be a thirsty Man here ffs...:-s