eBay seller sold carb kit as OEM Suzuki, but actually K&L

[Josh Riemann]

So I just got this in the mail:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391477209431

As you can see, it looks like Suzuki OEM parts. $84 for 4 carbs, a great deal. Too good to be true! Just arrived in the mail today, and sure enough, it is too good to be true:



This is what you might call a K&L pouch of goodies. Now, it's not useless (I def need some of the bits in there, the gaskets and one of the float needles), but it's not OEM and I hate to give a deceptive seller my business. Note that I reported this guy to eBay but who knows what they'll do about it.

Is there a better place to buy parts, where the prices are good and they don't mislead you? Thanks.

 

[Nessism]

Suzuki doesn't sell carb kits.

 

[jsandidge]

Deceptive ad for sure.

 

[cowboyup3371]

And you wasted about 60 dollars especially since you don't have all of the o-rings you need. You would have done better to have just bought your orings from Robert Barr (www.cycleorings.com) and followed the carb cleaning tutorial on Basscliff's site (http://members.dslextreme.com/users/bikecliff)

 

[Josh Riemann]

And you wasted about 60 dollars especially since you don't have all of the o-rings you need. You would have done better to have just bought your orings from Robert Barr (www.cycleorings.com) and followed the carb cleaning tutorial on Basscliff's site (http://members.dslextreme.com/users/bikecliff)

I appreciate an unfriendly "I told you so" as much as the next guy, but in this case you're way off base man. I wasted 0 dollars since this kit is going back for a full refund. I posted to warn others of this deceptive practice.

I purchased the o-ring kit as well, but (this may surprise you) the o-ring kit does not include many of the parts I need to replace, such as bowl gaskets, pilot jet plugs, one new needle (since the old spring is frozen (and didn't unfreeze in the dip)), and some bowl drain nuts. And since this is my first carb rebuild (and indeed, most complex mechanical project I've ever attempted) I wanted to err on the side of being too prepared.

 

[steve murdoch]

I would have a look at the Z1 site for the parts you need besides the www.cycleorings.com kit
https://www.z1enterprises.com/store/model/suzuki/small-inline-4-s

 

[JTGS850GL]

I appreciate an unfriendly "I told you so" as much as the next guy, but in this case you're way off base man. I wasted 0 dollars since this kit is going back for a full refund. I posted to warn others of this deceptive practice.

I purchased the o-ring kit as well, but (this may surprise you) the o-ring kit does not include many of the parts I need to replace, such as bowl gaskets, pilot jet plugs, one new needle (since the old spring is frozen (and didn't unfreeze in the dip)), and some bowl drain nuts. And since this is my first carb rebuild (and indeed, most complex mechanical project I've ever attempted) I wanted to err on the side of being too prepared.

Don't get your self too riled up about his comments. They're meant well. We see so many here that have purchased the kits before the questions begin. A little research would have saved you the lost time at the very least.

As for the other components needed, they're not usually included because in most cases they can be reused. If you haven't done so, here's a copy of the rebuild tutorial that would have identified many of the issues and procedures and read it thoroughly.:

CV carb rebuild tutorial

Don't skip any steps and all would work out fine. Hope everything goes well. If you need parts, then many on here may have what you need as many of us have a surplus of carb components. Myself included. Unless damaged, all metal parts can be cleaned and reused. There are some stubborn areas that can cause some frustration if you haven't run into it in the past. Once you've read through the tutorial and begun your rebuild you should be able to get help if you run into something like that.

 

[Josh Riemann]

Don't get your self too riled up about his comments. They're meant well. We see so many here that have purchased the kits before the questions begin. A little research would have saved you the lost time at the very least.

Before I asked questions, eh?

http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?242460-1983-GS650GL-Cleaning-carbs-question My primary post about the carbs.


http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?242545-Should-I-soak-these-parts Specifically about which parts to soak.

As you can see from those threads, I have been asking questions, and I am following the PDF. But the PDF it is incomplete. For example, there is no guidance on whether to soak certain parts, or specifics on how to extract their non-metallic pieces. There are precious few specifics about how to finish cleaning (e.g. removing dip). There are also tools missing from the inventory in the beginning, such as a 3/16 screwdriver for the pilot jet. I did buy the O-ring kit (including intake gaskets), but there are other parts that are not included in that kit that I need, such as: bowl gaskets (which are eroded), pilot jet plugs (cracking), and a float needle (stuck), all of which are included in the rebuild kit.

The knee-jerk reaction "do it according to the PDF, buy the O-ring kit" mantra is not always applicable.

 

[geol]

The eBay ad shows a Suzuki emblem but the statement the ad makes is that the kits are made for Suzuki is ambiguous and worded to make it sound like the kits are made for the Suzuki motorcycle corporation. The suggestion was made to buy kits from Z1Enterprises and they sell K&L kits exclusively. K&L does not manufacture these parts but sources them from a Japanese source and puts them together into kits. There have been carb kits OEM branded but I am not sure if Suzuki ever sold this type kit.

 

[JTGS850GL]

Before I asked questions, eh?

http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?242460-1983-GS650GL-Cleaning-carbs-question My primary post about the carbs.


http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?242545-Should-I-soak-these-parts Specifically about which parts to soak.

As you can see from those threads, I have been asking questions, and I am following the PDF. But the PDF it is incomplete. For example, there is no guidance on whether to soak certain parts, or specifics on how to extract their non-metallic pieces. There are precious few specifics about how to finish cleaning (e.g. removing dip). There are also tools missing from the inventory in the beginning, such as a 3/16 screwdriver for the pilot jet. I did buy the O-ring kit (including intake gaskets), but there are other parts that are not included in that kit that I need, such as: bowl gaskets (which are eroded), pilot jet plugs (cracking), and a float needle (stuck), all of which are included in the rebuild kit.

The knee-jerk reaction "do it according to the PDF, buy the O-ring kit" mantra is not always applicable.

I read through both threads and saw nothing recommending you buying kits. A quick search on these forums will show many references to NOT buying the kits due to very inferior components compared to OEM. If indeed the intent was to warn people of a bad seller, then there's a forum specific to that. The two that come to mind are "Deadbeat Alerts" and "Buyers Reviews". Posting there may have helped reduce the confusion. That and your low 12 post count probably made some ASSumptions occur.

 

[bobgroger]

These are as good as any I have used, and he included a bonus set of rubber gaskets http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUZUKI-GS-1...IKUNI-BS-CARB-GASKETS-FREE-SHIP-/291870828378
Rubber plugs from Z1 or ebay
Genuine mikuni needle and seat https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TG1EE6 These are for BS34 carbs, verify your application
Don't soak anything rubber. Remove carb dip with hot water, not in the house unless you live alone and don't mind smelling like carb dip for a week. A Harbor Freight ultrasonic cleaner $70 on sale will help a lot. New pilot jets are a good investment, the tiny passage at the end is hard to clean properly.

Sudco is the US Mikuni distributor, but they list almost nothing for BS carbs so you need to do some measuring and comparing. http://www.sudco.com/sudco_catalog.html

Forgot to mention, current Carb Dip is a shadow of its former toxic Methelene Chloride glory. It used to actually work. I still have a bucket. Others recommend something acidic like Vinegar or Pine-Sol

 

[JTGS850GL]

For what it's worth, you can still buy the original formula from Oreilly Auto Parts. You must order the "professional" formula. It's actually a replenishment container so it doesn't include the parts bucket. You can get it in 1 gallon or 5 gallon containers. It's part number 901 (1 gallon) or 905 (5 gallon). Pretty sure it's not available in CA though. Here's a link to the 1 gallon:

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/d...Y_-1_-1&mn=Berryman&mc=BRY&pt=N0441&ppt=C0090

 

[bwringer]

I would have a look at the Z1 site for the parts you need besides the www.cycleorings.com kit
https://www.z1enterprises.com/store/model/suzuki/small-inline-4-s

Z1 sells the same crappy K&L kits and carb parts, but at least they're not being deceptive about it.

You mentioned you need at least one float needle -- make CERTAIN that you don't end up with more K&L floor sweepings. Aftermarket float needles often have weak springs, so you end up unable to set float level correctly. Also, they don't fit exactly correctly, and they're not hardened or made from the correct materials, so even if you do manage to get the things to mostly work, they rapidly wear out. There used to be a picture around here somewhere.

Get genuine Mikuni parts only -- one way to do this is to order through Suzuki (it looks like you get the needle and seat as an assembly), but there are a few legitimate sellers out there selling real Mikuni parts. There are also a LOT of scammers trying to fob off imitation carb parts as genuine.