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first gs and having problems please help i'm getting desprate :-(

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Heres the problem I have got a gs550M and am having problems getting her to start I know she has run but stopped and wont start. I thought it was plugs (looking worn) so replaced them, then thought it could be battery so replaced that. still no soloution so replaced the coils I have spent about ?80 and still aint running now im getting very low on funds I tested the rectifier by checking the resistance with my voltmeter and got good readings from each cable to earth/ground one way and when i swapped the leads round on the voltmeter i never got a reading. according to the haynes manual that is good. now i dont know what to do i'm feeling the hit on my wallet and still the bike wont run I have tested each lead (there also new) and still the plug wont spark. has anyone got any ideas im really stuck now please help
many thanks in advance
rob
 
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What year is it? That will tell whether is has electronic ignition or points and condenser. that's the likely culprit, though other possibilities as well.
 
Its a 1981 gs550m I beleave it has elctronic ignition


Also if you can think of a problem then explaining the soloution would also be a help




Sorry to be a pain but my new baby is sick and i want to make her better
 
rsb said:
Its a 1981 gs550m I beleave it has elctronic ignition


Also if you can think of a problem then explaining the soloution would also be a help




Sorry to be a pain but my new baby is sick and i want to make her better
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If you have a manual (if you don't can probably download from basscliff's sight) there should be an igniter test in there. Also make sure you have voltage at the coil.
 
Hi - whereabouts in the UK are you? - there might be someone just around the corner who can help.

There's only one place to start with this type of electrical problem - right at the beginning. Grab your wiring diagram and test everything through from underneath your RH cover to the plugs, breaking it down in to stages. With a bit of luck it might be just a lose wire or corroded connection.
 
hello hampshirehog im from portsmouth in hampshire well gosport just across the water from portsmouth
 
rsb,

A few clarifications:

1. Did you ever have it running?
2. How long did it sit without running?
3. What have you checked that makes you think it's a spark issue rather than fuel?
 
hello big T (cool nickname) i got the bike (about a week or so ago) and it had only done 100 miles over the last 18 months it had been sat for a minimum of 7 months but could be more. I have changed the plugs leads coils and when i remove the plug and hold it against the engine and hit start there is no spark on any of the leads. I have seen it running and sounded pretty good. However it cut out after about 10 mins and wouldnt start again. I have also cleaned the carbs checked the fuel tap works cleaned the filter eliment in the tank and flushed the crap out of the tank (I used some old fuel for the flushing) I checked all the fuel hoses (both of them) and they are clear. and when I hit the starter button I can smell fuel from the carbs if I remove the carbs then there is fuel in them so i think the fuel system is ok. so the only other thing i can think it could be is electrical. I have also tested the rectifier as per the manual and all seemed well
 
yes, being unaware of just how experienced you are with bikes in general makes it hard to second guess you.;)

are the plugs not sparking when you have them out and grounded to the engine? if so then you're on the right track.

are they wet with gas when you have been trying to start it? sometimes it's the electrics, but it seems much more often to be fuel issues with these old bikes.

My 850 however had one bad coil and a faulty CDI (black box). I couldn't find one cheap until I started searching ebay for the Nippondenso part number and wound up with one for $10 from a chopper guy who didn't even know what it was. that fixed the issue right up.
 
Hi snowbeard I have used the plugs on the engine when I hit start and no spark and yes when I remove the plugs (all 4) they have fuel on them. This is why im stuck :(


as for my experience I have been working with bikes for about errr 7 no wait 8 or is it 9 .................... days now first bike I have ever worked on

I am a engineer in the royal navy though so I find I can learn engines quickly but am poo with electric
 
Hi rsb, I'm not close to you, but it sounds like your coils still aren't firing. Are you sure you have them wired correctly and they are getting the juice they need? Did you buy brand new coils or used?

I'm not particularly familiar with that area, but I find that following each wire using a manual often helps.

I see where it was recommended that you get a Suzuki service manual (better than Haynes), but have not seen an answer from you regarding a manual for your bike. Do you have one? If not, you should click on the following link and see if you can find more info there.

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/bikecliff/

I understand your eagerness to ride your new baby and wish you the best of luck. Hopefully you can get it on the road and in the breeze soon. Just remember you can't rush it. I find that the answer to my bike problems often present themselves to me when I'm off doing something else. As an engineer, I'm sure you can understand a step by step process and the GS electrical system is exactly that.

Keep us posted...
 
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Are you sure it is 100% no spark? it happen to me once, so to make sure I took it into my garrage, close the door, turn off the light and tried....I was then saw there was spark.

My bike was having similar problem too, but when I found there was spark, I gave it few spray of Starting fluid and it ran.

So, try to give it a spray or 2 of Starting fluid and see if it runs.
 
You have quite a rare GS there my friend. I'm afraid we can not be any more help until you post some pics. :D

j/k

My only advice would be as already suggested. step by step through the manual. All engines work on the same principle - spark and fuel. If you get those two it should fire.

How are you testing for spark? If you pull the lead and put a spark plug in it, don't forget that it must be 'earthed' when you test for spark. If you hold it in mid air you won't get a spark.
 
A little help...

A little help...

Not very familiar with ignition coils and the like, I don't think you've indicated that the starter even cranks.....(maybe because you're bike is a kick start?)

If it doesn't, get a voltmeter and trace the voltage from the battery to the solenoid, then from the solenoid to the starter...if the starter cranks but she no start, then you're a bit beyond my experience. If you don't have spark at the plugs, maybe you've a short some place or a bad ground in between? I'd try probing wires between battery and the coils or what not.

Something to ponder....not sure why your plugs would be getting wet without the bike cranking. I think the fuel only flows if the cylinders are drawing it in.....

hmm......:cool:
 
here we go the starter works and im getting compression. no spark new coils. new leads. new battery, new plugs, my regilator is fine but still no spark not even getting the juice it needs its dead as a dodo im now thinking of giving up was up till about 2:30 this morning in the shed working on her and had to be up at 5:45 for work I so want to hear her fire but doesnt look like I will im seriously thinking of cutting my losses and selling her (i really dont want to) I only passed my test last thursday and itching to go for a ride but dont look like my girl is gunna do it for me :( I have given myself till saturday night if I dont know what the problem is by then, then I think ill have to let her go:(
 
Really not trying to make you look silly but I have Seen this more than once, Is the kill switch in the on position???
 
hi ricardo
No mate your not making me look silly im open to ALL sugestions It could be something simple but I have checked the kill switch and when off the starter wont even try to fire when on the starter does fire
 
rsb said:
here we go the starter works and im getting compression. no spark new coils. new leads. new battery, new plugs, my regilator is fine but still no spark not even getting the juice it needs its dead as a dodo im now thinking of giving up was up till about 2:30 this morning in the shed working on her and had to be up at 5:45 for work I so want to hear her fire but doesnt look like I will im seriously thinking of cutting my losses and selling her (i really dont want to) I only passed my test last thursday and itching to go for a ride but dont look like my girl is gunna do it for me :( I have given myself till saturday night if I dont know what the problem is by then, then I think ill have to let her go:(
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Thats all you're going to give it? Thats really not fair, to be honest. There IS a reason its not firing. Its not some sort of mysterious voodoo. You just need to find what is causing it. If its not getting spark you have the following options, plus those i have not thought of.

A. as said, it may seem silly, but is the KILLSWITCH in the ON position?
B. Do you have the plug wires hooked to the CORRECT plugs? (The cylinders, if sitting on the bike are numbered from left to right, 1234. The left coil fires 1 and 4, the right coil fires 2 and 3. If you have these switched, crossed or anything else besides right, it wont fire)
C. Do you have lights? If you dont have lights, its likely you have a problem in the fuse block. Either with the block itself, or several of the fuses.
D. New coils, so that rules that out. Are THEY hooked up correctly? One should have a (if the suzuki wiring holds true for all models) A pair of wires, one orange and one black running out of one coil, the other should have a pair, one white one black running out of it.
E. Have you TESTED the ignitor?
F. have you checked the WIRES AND PLUG CAPS? I didnt see if you did or not, you may have. The caps unscrew from the plug wires. Cut some of the rubber and the tip of the old burnt wire back on each, exposing new wire, and rescrew the cap on, after you've TESTED IT.
G. How charged is the battery again??

Im sure there are more options, but this should get you started. It definately SOUNDS electrical to me, as long as you are SURE you ARE NOT getting spark when grounding the plugs to the head. Mmm.. You said you replaced the plugs. Silly question, but did you unscrew the lil tip on the new plugs? The stock wires wont accept the blunt rounded tip of the plugs, as its meant for car type wires. They simply unscrew. Mayhaps you didnt and they arent seating in the wire properly?
 
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