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Going on 11,000 mile trip - suggestions for preparation?

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Alex, it's not necessarily how long it can take to jet correctly, it's because you can end up taking the carbs apart several times. I would'nt want to do that during a long trip. On the VM carbs you should synch the carbs with a vacuum tool every time you disturb the needles. A poor manual synch will cause different levels of vacuum between the four cylinders and you'll get different mixtures being burned regardless if you set the jetting right.
Because there are so many variables to consider (equipment/mod's, engine compression, state of engine tune, elevation, etc,) regarding jetting, it can be a lot of trial and error. Lean mixtures can be harder to detect, especially at higher speeds. You could be buzzing along on your trip and not realize your motor's overheating. I would'nt want to see that happen, so I reacted like I did to your roomates comments. He may be a good mechanic, but he does not understand carburetion on these older bikes.
What you did, raising the stock needles 2 positions, is what I would have done also. You should always jet "rich" and work your way back. Your needle is now raised as high as it will go but you may be lucky and find the plugs read good. You may even find that you'll have to lower them a 1/2 position or even a full position. A 1/2 position would be achieved (in your case) by leaving the clip where it is (#5) and placing a jetting spacer on top the clip. A jetting spacer for your carbs is about .022" thick. Of course, always replace the plastic spacers (thick and thin) in the same order. The next step leaner would be removing the jetting spacer and moving the clip to #4. It all depends on how well your pipe/pods flow. You may find the stock needle won't get you the reads you want and in that case you'll have to go to a jet kit.
As for the mains, I would GUESS 4 full sizes up from whatever is stock and go from there. You'll also have to adjust your pilot screws (underneath) out some. I would try a 1/4 to 1/2 turn out (c-c-w) beyond where they are now. Then adjust the side air screws for the highest possible idle and re-set the idle with the idle screwknob. Adjust the side air screws with the bike warmed up and on the centerstand. Get low speed plug reads. If you reach the point that you have to adjust the pilot screws past 3 turns out, you are leaving their range and you'll have to go up a step (2.5) on the pilot jet and re-adjust the pilot screws back and start over. Be sure to do a good vacuum synch. To avoid mixture problems, get the vacuum levels all within 1 cm of each other. I ALSO RECOMMEND replacing the 4 manifold o-rings if they are hardening or have any cracks. Put some hi-temp' bearing grease on them and torque to 6 ft/lb.
Another factor in jetting is the owner. Some of us are just lucky and get the jetting right quickly. Some of us have to trial and error ourselves to death. Also, some of us are just more easily satisfied and don't care if the jetting is "perfect" and run out of patience. If the bike runs "OK" they're happy. So this also is part of "how long" jetting takes some people.
 
Thanks for your number, Chad. If Ohio is the midwest, what's Nebraska? I thought the midwest started at the Mississippi River. Coming from Oregon, anything east of the Mississippi is a 4-day drive away and seems like it might as well be on the Atlantic. I will be re-packing my wheel bearings with synthetic grease, and replacing them if they're worn out. I know the stock chain and sprockets sizes, but the bike shop recommended I get a 112 chain since I'll be going to a bigger front sprocket - I can take out 1 or 2 links if that's what's needed to make it fit. I don't think 1 tooth bigger on the front will make that kind of difference, but it cost the same for the 112 as for the 110 so that's what I did.

Thanks for that link, Earl - it helped me a lot with understanding what does what inside my carburetors. I'm a pretty good amateur mechanic, but most of my knowledge is limited to how to do a certain thing, not how to diagnose problems with an understanding of how the thing works as a whole, so your help and the page you linked help me a lot.

Yesterday my roomate got his air compressor working so I blew out the carbs with carb cleaner and compressed air, put them back together and back on the bike, and found the #2 cylinder was dumping gas out the vent tube, so I pulled them off again and set the float bowl levels (which I had forgotten to do at first). #2 was way off, the rest were a little off. It starts a little easier now than before I did any carb work, but riding around the block last night without air filters, it was fairly temperamental. Just from the feel of the throttle position, it seemed that it bogged just a tiny bit right off idle, then was excellent from around 1/8 to maybe 1/2, beyond which it bogged down progressively worse. I'm about to vaccuum synch the carbs and run around the block again to see if it's any different. Just for reference, before I did anything to it, it was a little slow off idle, OK but not great for most of the midrange, and there was basically no difference in engine performance between 3/4 and full throttle. Also, running it faster than 5,000 RPM made very little noticeable difference in power, regardless of speed or throttle position. So, these are the problems I am hoping to solve, and it's already better in the lower throttle positions than it was before. This being Memorial Day, the bike shop is closed and tomorrow when they're open I'll get all the jets I think I might need and go from there.

Keith, I know I might have to take the carbs apart several times, but with pod filters on there, it takes about 30 minutes to get the carbs off, change the main or pilot jets or both, and have them back on ready to ride. That would take about an hour if I had to also adjust the needle position. Checking to see how it's running at a given throttle position takes less than 10 minutes, so if all I'm doing is changing jets, it would take about 45 minutes to test a set of mains or pilots and be ready to do it again. I haven't done the vaccuum synch yet, but I expect it to take around 30 minutes. I'm planning to get a bunch of jet sizes that I might need (mains and pilots) and do carb tuning all day Wednesday or Thursday, expecting to get it right by the end of the day. Is that an unrealistic plan? You said you'd guess 4 full sizes up from stock on the mains. Stock (what I have now) mains are 80, so would 1 size up be 82.5 or 85? I'm guessing 82.5 would be a half-size up, so 4 full sizes up would be 100. I have a '78 GS750 for parts, and it has size 97.5, 100, or 105 mains as stock, so I could pull those and try it today. My pilot screws (the ones underneath, accessible without taking float bowls off, with factory yellow paint on) were all at 1.5 turns out, and that's where I put them when I put it back together. The air screws on the sides are at 2 turns out, which is also factory spec. I'm sure I need to play with those some to get it right, and I'll be doing that some today, following the advice you gave. I suspect I'm the type of owner that will be happy if the bike is not too rich or lean at all throttle positions and has power all through the throttle range and RPM range, whether it's "perfect" or not. The needles and seats and air screws all had barely-noticeable rings around them, so I'm not expecting perfection, just hoping to make it happy all around.

Again, thanks for your advice, it's much appreciated. As I said before, I'm just trying to understand all this stuff and get it right, and I had conflicting information from different places. I'll keep you guys updated as I play with the carbs more.

Alex
 
Yes. A step up in jet size is 2.5 and a full step is 5. I would try 100 to start. I would also post a topic here asking what other 550 owners have done if they have pipe/pods. It does matter what brand/design of pipe/pods you have, but someone may have the same setup you have or similar and help you out? Do a good carb synch before testing and if you move the needles, re-synch. Also, pod filters require that you remove the two float bowl vent tubes. This helps the bowls vent better and "keep up" with the increased intake. Fuel starvation will occur if the tubes are left on, especially at sustained/steady speeds. This is also recommended by jet kit makers. Don't worry about the vent nipples being exposed, I've never known this to cause a problem with dirt getting in.
 
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