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Helmets are not optional

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Not to stir the pot but I agree with Argon all the talk about gear versus no gear when driving in a cage has no validity in this thread and takes away from the gist which is the helmet saved his life end of story.

He is to be thanked for sharing his "findings" with us. Nothing better than real world experience as a learning tool.

While I won't get into the freedom of choice debate either, I would like to hear someone standup and talk about their experience in a crash while not wearing a helmet. I really can't see how not wearing one would save you in similar circumstances but I'd be interested in knowing.

Whatever your feelings, always ride to arrive alive.

Cheers,
spyug.
 
Glad to still have you hear to tell us about this grooveboy. Looking back at it, do you wonder if there was a chance you could have sped up to get past her or anything else to minimize the impact?

Sounds like you came out of it really well, all things considered. I hope everyone who witnessed what happened stop and think about being careful on the road.
 
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As to the nomex suit, such spurious arguments serve to mislead the reader, and nothing else.

No, it proves my point that everyone has a different preception of how much risk is tolerable. A quick search found many cases like this car fire death.

How many deaths in the home could be prevented if only we wore protective equipment. Falls and other accidents around the home remain the number one cause of death. I've seen people wearing helmets on riding mowers. No way in hell.
 
You should see the little gay yellow "high Visibility" jackets and vests everyone in Europe has to wear if they work outside. It's really quite comical. While it may make sense for a highway construction worker it seems ludicrous on everyone else. It makes me laugh. Laughing is good. Unless your ribs are broken. But I digress.
They even gave me one to wear at work. Size small. It goes to my elbows.
 
Not to stir the pot but I agree with Argon all the talk about gear versus no gear when driving in a cage has no validity in this thread and takes away from the gist which is the helmet saved his life end of story.

He is to be thanked for sharing his "findings" with us. Nothing better than real world experience as a learning tool.

While I won't get into the freedom of choice debate either, I would like to hear someone standup and talk about their experience in a crash while not wearing a helmet. I really can't see how not wearing one would save you in similar circumstances but I'd be interested in knowing.

Whatever your feelings, always ride to arrive alive.

Cheers,
spyug.

OK. I can do that. I have a scar on my forehead from an initial impact, and a second on the back, which curiously enough, came from a second impact.
The first was where the car hit me and the second happened when I hit the concrete. My skull was split at the back.

The police arrived and found me with no life signs.

An hour later the wreckage was cleared up. I was checked again and still had no life signs, but the law demanded that a doctor officially declare me to be dead, so I was sent to a hospital. (This is the actual police report.)

I returned to life lying on a gurney, with lights shining in my face. Two doctors were standing by my feet, ready to turn and walk away when I sat up and asked for a telephone. Their mouths dropped wide open in shock.

Exit hospital.....

Just pour me into a cab and send it on its way. I had no idea which way was up, so I fell on the floor and stayed there.

I always had a near-photographic memory. Not anymore.

I did not have amnesia, just a malfunctioning brain. Memory came and went. Long-term memory seemed OK, but short-term was just that: often minutes, sometimes days, occasionally weeks, would pass, and then most or all of it vanished.

There was nothing but loneliness every day, because I had no idea where anyone was, including me, even hours before.

Perhaps the loneliness was what got me to marry a woman I had met only weeks before the crash, a woman I did not know. Not to worry, even today I have no trace of memory of the marriage ceremony or anything else concerned with it, including where it took place. All of it is blank.

I do recall falling over.....frequently.... and that lasted for many months. This was because, being a typical male, I often lost track of direction, but in my case it meant an inability to tell which direction was up and which was down. I usually found which way was down.

A daughter was conceived and born before my memory returned to normal and a son was on his way. Later, the marriage that should never have occurred, and which proved highly distasteful to both of us, was dissolved.


My life was literally taken and gone, and then it was restored, but it was totally and irreversibly changed.


I was not wearing a helmet at the time because I was changing a tire on my car when someone drove into the car, and that drove the car into me, and me into the concrete abutment that was behind me.

Is there any valid reason to say there is a difference between this and a motorcycle crash?
NO.
Absolutely not.
Impact and head injury is exactly that.


On the other side:


While in the right lane on a 3-lane highway a car from the far left chose to make a sudden exit and as it crossed the lanes its rear bumper intersected with my front tire. I had no chance of advance reaction as the car began its move across the lanes from behind me, out of my range of vision, and it was travelling faster than me. I did not see it until a split second before it hit me.

The bike almost instantly went over on its side, almost down, but after a bit of fighting with it, I got it back up, still at about 60MPH, and just in time to meet a bumper on the back of another car that was stopping on the side of the road.

I went over the car and landed on my head and shoulder. As I slid across the pavement face-down, with the open-face helmet and one shoulder taking the rest of my weight, I clearly recall thinking to myself " Am I ever going to stop sliding?"

I think it was the sissybar that hit me just as I left the bike and broke my back. My wrist was also broken. One leg was lacerated more than the other, and more than a bit. The right side of my face had to be rebuilt as the sunglasses had bent down and in upon impact, shredding the skin and leaving my face full of broken glass and road dirt.

The helmet took the 60 MPH impact without splitting. My ex-wife (the second one) still has the helmet sitting in what is now her garage. I kept the leather jacket, and wore it for another 15 years, before finally using it to bury my cat, who always thought my shoulder was her favourite place in the world, and who had always found comfort being in and on that jacket (while I was wearing it) from the time she was 8 weeks old.

Since I both landed on it and then skidded for at least fifty feet on my head, there is zero question that the helmet saved my life and it allowed me to get the delightful experience of having surgeons spend a few hours cleaning me up and then cutting my remaining flesh into ribbons so they could stretch it, stitch it, and rebuild my face, all of this while I was fully awake.

Since then I choose to wear a full-face helmet and I choose to believe that people who choose to not wear helmets while riding motorcycles are fools.


Does that cover it?
 
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Glad to still have you hear to tell us about this grooveboy. Looking back at it, do you wonder if there was a chance you could have sped up to get past her or anything else to minimize the impact?

Sounds like you came out of it really well, all things considered. I hope everyone who witnessed what happened stop and think about being careful on the road.

Thanks, Miss Fab. I agree that it could have been a LOT worse. Honestly, I don't really remember the actual impact, the concussion took care of that (which might honestly be a good thing, I have very little on the way of scary memories of the incident to prohibit me from riding in the future).

Anyway, looking back, there really wasn't much I could have done that I didn't already do. She was crossing into the intersection as my front wheel crossed her path, as I recall. Speeding up might not have done much at that point. I did very little damage to her car, as I layed the bike down and just caught the corner of her bumper. If I would have sped up, I probably would have been hit full on by the front of her car. I *think*, and this is just a guess based on how everything was positioned when I came to, that my front end caught the corner of her car, and I was flipped around/over the bike by the impact, landing on my right side/head. My legs were probably torn up by the bike itself.

Now, as for the ongoing debate about how much safety gear is appropriate, nomex suits in cars, etc..... This is an old arguement, and there is no good answer. Basically, we make decisions based on information, and I posted this whole incident as an example of a real world experience that was made remarkably less unpleasant by my wearing a helmet. There's an element of both sides in my story. My life was saved by a helmet, but my injuries could have been reduced had I been in full gear.

Do I hope that this leads more riders to wear full-face helmets and possibly save their lives if they have the misfortune to come across a similar situation? Absolutely. But it's still your choice. I'm just adding a small personal nugget of hard-earned wisdom to the wealth of information out there. The whole "nomex suit" angle is just kinda superfluous. I mean, seriously, if you want to 100% reduce the chance of a motorcycling injury, you could simply not ride. Taking it to that extreme is not what this post is about. It's about the fact that we do have choices, and the balance between fun/comfort and safety should be seriously considered based on the available information. I like riding without a helmet, a lot, but I like the love I see every day in my girlfriend's eyes a lot more.

Want to know why you hear very few "I had a head impact with no helmet and here's what happened to me stories"? Because a lot of those unfortunate souls are probably not here to tell them.
 
I was not wearing a helmet at the time because I was changing a tire on my car when someone drove into the car, and that drove the car into me, and me into the concrete abutment that was behind me.

Is it safe to assume that you now wear a helmet while changing your tire?
 
several of my friends ride without helmets whenever they can


screw that. i will wear mine in every state and every time i get on. only takes a small spill and a tiny piece of concrete to put a big hurt on the noggin.

people that ride without them lack something very important--- common sense.

no offense to anyone on here
 
Want to know why you hear very few "I had a head impact with no helmet and here's what happened to me stories"? Because a lot of those unfortunate souls are probably not here to tell them.

That's some truth right there.
 
... The right side of my face had to be rebuilt as the sunglasses had bent down and in upon impact, shredding the skin and leaving my face full of broken glass and road dirt.

...so they could stretch it, stitch it, and rebuild my face, all of this while I was fully awake.

Since then I choose to wear a full-face helmet and I choose to believe that people who choose to not wear helmets while riding motorcycles are fools.


Does that cover it?

Sure does! I'll assume that the helmet you wrecked with, wasn't a full-face as you suffered pretty serious facial injuries and now wear a full-face helmet. As of late, the temptation to wear a partial helmet has bounced around in my head, but after reading this, I have no doubt that the full-face helmet I've got, is the way to go. Thanks for sharing the terrible, but yet to us, enlightening details of what you went through. It's the same reason I like reading the 'close calls' thread. You pick up on things that just might save your hide.
 
Some will never learn.

Some will never learn.

I had already poated this elswere but I feel it deserves another turn. Now I do not think that laws should be conjoured up to force us to protect our selves. Not being much of a people person, I fully respect the rights of stupid people to remove themselves from the gene pool. However, About 2 months ago two of my friends were killed while riding here in Phoenix. One was hit headon by a drunk that was on the wrong side of the freeway. The other rear-ended at a stoplight. Both were really cool mofos that never wore any gear. When I had asked about it they had both told me that it was about how others percive them. No problem guys no ones watching you now. Heres the other side of the coin. 3-4 months ago my little brother was in the fast lane on the 42 in NJ when a buick on a side street not seeing him, pulled into his lane and stopped waiting to make a left onto the other side of the freeway. (most highways in NJ are divided, but without turning lanes ) He admits that he was speeding as he was passing a tanker that was in the center lane. The tanker was the reason the other driver never saw him. He t-boned the buick before he had any time to cover his levers. Trying to remeber the statistics, but I belive he flew aprox 140 ft before first impact and his bike doubled that. Several broken ribs. One collapsed lung. One broken hip. Shattered lower leg, and shattered ankle. He is already walking again with a cane. Though he will have to use an electric shift solenoid because the nerve damage was irrepairable. So why did he survive what should have been a fatal wreck? Scorpion FF helmet, First Gear leather jacket. No remorse for the stupid, I just hope they dont take anyone else with'em. ](*,)
 
OK. I can do that. I have a scar on my forehead from an initial impact, and a second on the back, which curiously enough, came from a second impact.
The first was where the car hit me and the second happened when I hit the concrete. My skull was split at the back.

The police arrived and found me with no life signs.

An hour later the wreckage was cleared up. I was checked again and still had no life signs, but the law demanded that a doctor officially declare me to be dead, so I was sent to a hospital. (This is the actual police report.)

I returned to life lying on a gurney, with lights shining in my face. Two doctors were standing by my feet, ready to turn and walk away when I sat up and asked for a telephone. Their mouths dropped wide open in shock.

Exit hospital.....

Just pour me into a cab and send it on its way. I had no idea which way was up, so I fell on the floor and stayed there.

I always had a near-photographic memory. Not anymore.

I did not have amnesia, just a malfunctioning brain. Memory came and went. Long-term memory seemed OK, but short-term was just that: often minutes, sometimes days, occasionally weeks, would pass, and then most or all of it vanished.

There was nothing but loneliness every day, because I had no idea where anyone was, including me, even hours before.

Perhaps the loneliness was what got me to marry a woman I had met only weeks before the crash, a woman I did not know. Not to worry, even today I have no trace of memory of the marriage ceremony or anything else concerned with it, including where it took place. All of it is blank.

I do recall falling over.....frequently.... and that lasted for many months. This was because, being a typical male, I often lost track of direction, but in my case it meant an inability to tell which direction was up and which was down. I usually found which way was down.

A daughter was conceived and born before my memory returned to normal and a son was on his way. Later, the marriage that should never have occurred, and which proved highly distasteful to both of us, was dissolved.


My life was literally taken and gone, and then it was restored, but it was totally and irreversibly changed.


I was not wearing a helmet at the time because I was changing a tire on my car when someone drove into the car, and that drove the car into me, and me into the concrete abutment that was behind me.

Is there any valid reason to say there is a difference between this and a motorcycle crash?
NO.
Absolutely not.
Impact and head injury is exactly that.


On the other side:


While in the right lane on a 3-lane highway a car from the far left chose to make a sudden exit and as it crossed the lanes its rear bumper intersected with my front tire. I had no chance of advance reaction as the car began its move across the lanes from behind me, out of my range of vision, and it was travelling faster than me. I did not see it until a split second before it hit me.

The bike almost instantly went over on its side, almost down, but after a bit of fighting with it, I got it back up, still at about 60MPH, and just in time to meet a bumper on the back of another car that was stopping on the side of the road.

I went over the car and landed on my head and shoulder. As I slid across the pavement face-down, with the open-face helmet and one shoulder taking the rest of my weight, I clearly recall thinking to myself " Am I ever going to stop sliding?"

I think it was the sissybar that hit me just as I left the bike and broke my back. My wrist was also broken. One leg was lacerated more than the other, and more than a bit. The right side of my face had to be rebuilt as the sunglasses had bent down and in upon impact, shredding the skin and leaving my face full of broken glass and road dirt.

The helmet took the 60 MPH impact without splitting. My ex-wife (the second one) still has the helmet sitting in what is now her garage. I kept the leather jacket, and wore it for another 15 years, before finally using it to bury my cat, who always thought my shoulder was her favourite place in the world, and who had always found comfort being in and on that jacket (while I was wearing it) from the time she was 8 weeks old.

Since I both landed on it and then skidded for at least fifty feet on my head, there is zero question that the helmet saved my life and it allowed me to get the delightful experience of having surgeons spend a few hours cleaning me up and then cutting my remaining flesh into ribbons so they could stretch it, stitch it, and rebuild my face, all of this while I was fully awake.

Since then I choose to wear a full-face helmet and I choose to believe that people who choose to not wear helmets while riding motorcycles are fools.


Does that cover it?

One hell of a story. Thank you for sharing

Ever since i was small I've wanted to ride. Unfortunately I have that same mom everyone does. You know the one that says hell no you're not getting a motorcycle. So I went motorcycle-less for a long while. Then one day i read a quote, "Playing it safe all of your life is not living, its dying slowly" And it hits me, when its your time to go, its your time to go. So I decide that no one's gonna change my mind and start looking for a motorcycle. And the first thing I do? BUY GEAR. It makes so much sense in the world. Yet some people refuse. Why is this? Its like skydiving without a parachute. Completely stupid. I could never understand how people with much more expirence on a motorcycle than me would so foolishly put their life in even greater danger. I mean the first thing i did was buy a full face helmet and riding jacket. Even before I had the bike. And that's because I was a n00b. I mean the statistics are there. 60 or so percent of fatal injuries could be prevented on a motorcycle if a helmet was worn, I belive was the latest statistic(please correct me if thats wrong) And yet people don't wear them. Ah well I guess to each his own but I know for sure I'm gonna be ATGATT, because lord knows I don't particularly like how Argonsagas described the facial reconstructure
 
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Its like parachuting without a parachute.

Hear.

I wish I had kept all of my smashed helmets, or at least pictures of them.
The last time I came off, ruined another helmet and exploded my rain jacket with not one inch of roadrash, not even a headache. The face shield was scraped pretty much, probably didn't prevent a fatal head injury this time but it sure would have hurt.
ATGATT works.
Now I just need something to prevent broken ribs and collarbones.
 
Hear.

I wish I had kept all of my smashed helmets, or at least pictures of them.
The last time I came off, ruined another helmet and exploded my rain jacket with not one inch of roadrash, not even a headache. The face shield was scraped pretty much, probably didn't prevent a fatal head injury this time but it sure would have hurt.
ATGATT works.
Now I just need something to prevent broken ribs and collarbones.

Whoops lol had to go back and read that. I'm dumb people sorry

Do the broken collarbones come from the helmet? I know a few people on other forums where the helmet broke the collar bone. There is also a guy that lost his newlywed wife because a car hit her but the helmet broke her neck. Really sad story
 
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Whoops lol had to go back and read that. I'm dumb people sorry

Do the broken collarbones come from the helmet? I know a few people on other forums where the helmet broke the collar bone. There is also a guy that lost his newlywed wife because a car hit her but the helmet broke her neck. Really sad story
A improperly fitted helmet can be just as dangerous as not wearing one at all for that reason...Helmet hits the ground...starts to roll/twist..body doesnt follow at same rate if at all...*shudder* You see what happens next...:(
 
I had a low tree branch hit me in the face at night on a road, think about that when your looking at half helmets and open face versions.
 
My 30mph lowside on a grease spill resulted in a broken left femur when I whacked a curb.

Otherwise, not a scratch or bruise, thanks to armored jacket and pants, full face helmet, gloves, and work boots. (Patched up a hole in the jacket, still wearing the scuffed gloves and boots. Waste not, want not.)

At least 25 people in the hospital walked up and poked at my perfectly intact knees in wonder. Several nurses and a couple of doctors refused to believe my reports that nothing else hurt, and examined everything else over and over without finding one contusion. No internal injuries either, thank goodness.

I found out later that a tetanus shot is pretty standard with accident victims, but I didn't get one because I wasn't scuffed up at all! :mrgreen:

No concussion at all, but judging from the damage to my helmet, I'd have a lopsided head if I hadn't been wearing a full-face helmet.

Chicks dig scars, but a man with half a face, one ear, and a diaper is pushing it...
 
I know that I might get flamed for saying this....but I agree with everyone that says "Its a matter of choice"

I am a helmet advocate! BUT I don't agree with the law stating that we MUST wear them! This country was based on freedom and the freedom of choice is being taken away from us. I think that our rights are slowly being picked away from us. Last I heard....we had a democratic government....that sounds like its going away as well!....lol

I wear my seatbelt in my vehicles....but I still think that this should be a matter of choice as well!

I think that some States got it right when they made their helmet law 18 and under....or even 21 and under. Protecting the minors would be ok just like needing a permit before we get our drivers license!

Not wearing a helmet is not hurting anyone else but the rider. Thats why I disagree with the mandatory helmet law. If you are old enough to die for our country by enlisting in the military at 18.....why not give us a choice to wear a helmet while riding or a seatbelt in a car?

Just my opinion! :-D
 
In Theory , I agree with the "It's a Choice" Arguement but this debate isn't all about Philosophy, it's about economics. When a person winds up in a long term care facility, they don't pay, their insurance doesn't pay (for long anyway), We the Taxpayers foot the bill. I have stated before that having slid down the pavement on My face with a Helmet, I don't recommend trying it without one! Kentucky is a "Helmet Optional" State but Proof of Medical insurance is Supposed to be Required. I have never heard of anyone being Checked, much less Ticketed for not meeting this Requirement. Each time I see a Bare Headed Rider I see a Potential tax increase that I Don't get to Vote on!:?
 
In Theory , I agree with the "It's a Choice" Arguement but this debate isn't all about Philosophy, it's about economics. When a person winds up in a long term care facility, they don't pay, their insurance doesn't pay (for long anyway), We the Taxpayers foot the bill. I have stated before that having slid down the pavement on My face with a Helmet, I don't recommend trying it without one! Kentucky is a "Helmet Optional" State but Proof of Medical insurance is Supposed to be Required. I have never heard of anyone being Checked, much less Ticketed for not meeting this Requirement. Each time I see a Bare Headed Rider I see a Potential tax increase that I Don't get to Vote on!:?

You are absolutely right! I can see the tax issues that we can go through....so lets get all of our troops back over here and do something about the alarming rise of prison inmate housing so that we can lower the nations Ten Trillion dollar deficit that we got ourselves into! I can go on and on...but I won't...lol

Honestly.... How many riders are we supporting in hospitals that are affecting our taxes?

I'm sure its not breaking our wallets. :-D

Helmet or no Helmet we cant focus extra taxes on that....lol

If you really think about it.....Everything should be a matter of CHOICE!\\:D/
 
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