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Need wiring diagram for start circuit

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My newley aquired gs 650 does not start with the button. PO said Neutral saftey switch was bad, but the green light comes on when in neutral, so idk.

Only way to start bike is to jump the solenoid with a screwdriver.

So Im in need of the start circuit wiring diagram so I can go thru it and find the problem. Or if any one here has any ideas, fire away!

Thanks.
 
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tkent02 said:
The PO is full of it, there is no neutral safety switch.

There is a clutch safety switch, are you pulling the clutch in?

The clutch switch can be easily repaired or bypassed if it isn't making contact.
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Yes, tried with the clutch in. No change. Is it as simple as taking the wire and jumping them together. I noticed a wire going into the clutch housing.
 
never the less, the bike should still be able to start without the clutch pulled in as long as its in neutral....correct?

Its obvious what ever the problem is, it is not killing the ignition. Otherwise, I would not even be able to jump start it.
 
tkent02 said:
It won't crank at all without the clutch in. .
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nah, I can start it by crossing a screw driver on the starter relay.

Perhaps the clutch switch has already been bypassed :eek:

So now im back to the original question.....start circuit wiring diagram......:confused:
 
pooleo said:
So now im back to the original question.....start circuit wiring diagram......:confused:
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The answer has already been provided for you in the previous posts.
tkent02 said:
The clutch switch can be easily repaired or bypassed if it isn't making contact.
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tkent02 said:
Inside the headlight, you can join the two connectors that go to the switch on the clutch. conveniently, there is one male and one female connector.
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(Apologies to Arlo Guthrie)
Do you need 27 8x10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one describing what each one is?

Follow the wires from your clutch switch into the headlight housing. Yes, you will have to remove the headlight to look inside. You will see the clutch switch wires there, they are yellow with a green stripe. As tkent said, one will have a male connector, the other will have a female connector. Separate the two connections, then re-connect the two connectors that are part of the main harness. It does not matter what you do with the wires that go to the clutch switch. You should now be able to use your starter button.

If you still feel that you need a wiring diagram, go to BassCliff's site and download a manual. There is a very nice wiring diagram for an 850 there that will be very similar to your 650.

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you must have missed the point. It has been said the bike will not crank if the switch is faulty. Since the bike will crank and run, that must not be the culprit.

I come here looking for help, which is what is offered is it not?

All I wanted was a diagram so I can look things over myself.

I dont want to go on a fantasy goose chase, tearing into **** before I have a diagram to look things over. How hard is this to understand?
 
Now with that being said, I now have the diagram and can begin to figure out what the problem is.
 
Pooleo, Steve and Tom gave you exactly what you were looking for without having to use the wiring diagram. Yes, having it to assist is nice but I have found over the last two years that these two guys, and many others, will provide more help than you will ever get from the book or diagrams. All you have to do is listen. They aren't telling you to tear into things, just open up and LOOK. I will guarantee that diagram says the same thing they just did.
 
I understand this. And if its not the problem, I come back and ask questions again. Now that I have the diagram, I can trace the entire circuit down and find the problem.

Now, the one guy said that the bike wont crank if the clutch switch is bad/not working/etc. Well, my bike will crank and run! sooooo, its obvious that this is not the problem. So when I look into it tomaro and I find the wires are already connected (because the bike runs, the wires must be making a connection, right?) then I am on a goose chase.

With the diagram, I have all the info I need.

So thanks for the help.


So just to clarify.

The bike can never be started with out the clutch pulled in, even in neutral.

Clutch pulled in makes the circuit, clutch out, no circuit and no crank.

My bike cranks and runs with out the clutch pulled in, so the circuit must be complete.

So someone must have already put the wires together!
 
pooleo said:
So just to clarify.

The bike can never be started with out the clutch pulled in, even in neutral.

Clutch pulled in makes the circuit, clutch out, no circuit and no crank.

My bike cranks and runs with out the clutch pulled in, so the circuit must be complete.

So someone must have already put the wires together!
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OK, I am completely confuzzled now. You are now saying that it cranks and runs, but in your first post, you said it doesn't. :-k
pooleo said:
My newley aquired gs 650 does not start with the button. PO said Neutral saftey switch was bad, but the green light comes on when in neutral, so idk.

Only way to start bike is to jump the solenoid with a screwdriver.
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By using a screwdriver on the solenoid, you are bypassing EVERYTHING in the starter circuit. By following the instructions in a previous post, you will only be bypassing the "safety" switch that requires you to pull the clutch lever. The presence (or absence) of that switch has NOTHING to do with your ability to damage a screwdriver on the solenoid.

By the way, you can "crank it" with a screwdriver without even using a key, so you are only proving that you have a decent battery and the starter works. NOTE: if you also use a jumper wire from the MAIN fuse to any of the others, then use your screwdriver on the solenoid, the bike will start, run and be totally functional, even with NO KEY in the ignition. :p

There is a bit more circuitry involved and we have guided you to it. Enjoy your diagram browsing.

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I put the wires together, nothing has changed. So whats next, wizard.

Thanks, but no thanks. I have the diagram, which is what I asked for. I will find the problem.
 
I would follow the wires from your starter button to where they connect and make sure you have continuity when you press the button.
 
pooleo said:
I said it wont start WITH THE BUTTON :rolleyes:
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You did say that in your first post. But it could be the starter button. The starter button acts as a switch, when you push on it the switch closes, when you release it, it opens. If your button doesn't close when you push it in, you have an open circuit when it should be closed. That's why you need to check for continuity on the two wires leading from the starter button when the starter button is pressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u-I0D9ReqI
 
yes, thanks. I will be looking everything over. Its not a complicated circuit so should no be very difficult.
 
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