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Are these setup to increase pressure like the restrictor tap for a turbo. Or just a volume thing
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jwhelan65
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Both actually I think..
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madmikeracing
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With the use of larger diameter Cylinder Block Studs ( I ALWAYS do both the crankcase and cylinder block studs on all my engines I build as well as 750 pump gears) the reduced oil flow to the head is detrimental. With the addition of Head Oiler system as well as 750 oil pump Gears set you get sufficient volume and a very slight pressure increase. The extra oil volume makes life a bit better for the Cylinder head Springs ,cams, rockers. I make my own head oilers and also make titanium oiler bolts. They are way superior to the aluminum ones someone has been making and selling in my Opinion)The aluminum oiler bolts made in the states arent very strong. I have had broken Oiler head Bolts (anodized aluminum ) ones in motors people have brought me to repair. Anyhow that's it. Thanks Mike
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All the years I have been installing oilers, I have NEVER broken an aluminum bolt. Then again, I KNOW how to install them & the fact that they don't require a lot of torque to make seal. For you to IMPLY that the aluminum bolts are inferior is just you trying to scare people into buying an EXPENSIVE titanium bolt, you are selling, that just isn't required. Rick Ward makes great parts, as does my friend GregB here that made a bunch of oilers too. Anyone that breaks those bolts is due to their own fault!! To answer your question 4cyl h2, the top end oilers do NOT increase the oil pressure. They were designed to put more oil to the cams & rocker arms to increase oiling. The side benefit is that they put more oil on the springs also, which helps cool the valve springs, extending spring life. Yes, you should be using 750 oil pump gears with a performance build to help put more oil up top.
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Is it ok then to get the oil from any port?? Like right side of engine case??
You might find this of interest..............
http://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...nd-oilers-Reasons-Why&highlight=top+end+oiler
http://www.thegsresources.com/_foru...nd-oilers-Reasons-Why&highlight=top+end+oiler
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Ray Im not selling them. I make them for my engines only as well as my friends. The alloy bolts were on the last katana that came into my Hobby Shop. The oiler bolts had cracked causing Oil leakage and one was snapped right clean of. That's the first time I even looked at one of those head oilers from Mr Ward. I did love the Oiler the gentleman on the GS resources made up and sold to some fellows. A very nicely thought out Project, (Sorry I don't recall your name.) I'm not slamming anyone's stuff. Guess its Buyer Beware!!
GregB.........................
I bought a Top End Oiling kit off of Greg. Very nice kit (top quality) and his price was a bargain also. I'm not sure if he has any kits for sale now. But with some interest, I bet he could probably run another batch of them.
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Does anybody lnow if these can be run with a turbo if the turbo nses the same supply feed as the top end oiler.
I think the normal oil flow path through the cylinder isn't needed when using a top end feeder. I think guys call blocking the passages "dry blocking" or something to this effect. If you do this there should be enough oil supply to feed a turbo but obviously, the flow must be managed overall to control flow where it's needed.
top end oilers look cool but i have never needed one on a turbo bike.
keeping the oil separate from the engine would be great if it was simple and inexpensive but i have never damaged a rajay turbo except when i broke my pump gears.
i have broke 2 sets of pump gears in total...both was 750 ratio gears.
keeping the oil separate from the engine would be great if it was simple and inexpensive but i have never damaged a rajay turbo except when i broke my pump gears.
i have broke 2 sets of pump gears in total...both was 750 ratio gears.
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I love the way they look. If theyll not do any harm I'd love to run one.
Turbo oiling is a bit more complex topic. The main problem is that turbos typically require 30 psi or more supply pressure and pressure on the GS engine is less than 8 psi. So you need to do some tricks to increase the pressure. Ball bearing turbos and old Rajays are a bit more forgiving regarding pressure so you may get away with just supplying engine pressure to them.
I'm too lazy to write down all possible combinations and solutions right now
But just let me know if you like to know more. I have done quite a lot experiments about this.streetfighters
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Sorry I'm late to the party ( holidays and all). If I may ask, I've an early GS1100 I built up ( 1168 cc, crank blueprint and balance, and used APE studs in anticipation of running Nitrous. I installed a vintage V&H TOE and the rocked box simply flooded with oil at idle while running the engine, filling, and I mean filling, the cam area faster than draining by a large amount. No other mods. were made to oiling system yet (plugging passages, etc.) but I have a set of V&H 750 gears going in when the clutch cover gets pulled.
Should I correct this by metering the oil going to the top end be using a restrictor on the pressure side of the TOE distribution block? Is this excessive oil flow to the top end normal when using top end oil augmentation Thanks in advance for any insight you folks can offer.
streetfighters
Should I correct this by metering the oil going to the top end be using a restrictor on the pressure side of the TOE distribution block? Is this excessive oil flow to the top end normal when using top end oil augmentation Thanks in advance for any insight you folks can offer.
streetfighters
streetfighters
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But Ray, is this "flooding" of oil I describe typical of top end oilers? Will the bottom end suffer due to such a large amount of oil being diverted to the head? I'm wondering if the rocker box will actually pressurize with oil, or is this simply lunacy on my part?
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