Project 700ES

[tejasmud]

Joe,

I'm about too on the 700E.

It has been a while since the last adjustment.

But, since this relates to your machine as well as many of the 16v engines.

Per the manual on the 700/750E ES/others, adjustment is 0.09-0.13mm (0.004-0.005") is splitting hairs here. On the low side, on the high side, there is not a high side or low side in the spec. Dead nut is the phrase.

Now, for those who have done miltiple valve adjustments as miles accumulate on the 16v engines enlighten us.. 8v engines speak out if you need too.

Which way does the valve terrain usually go?

A. It loosens up?

B. It tightens up?


I know, do a search.

Everything I have read says tightens up.

Maybe wrong.

Makes sense to me, all the parts are steel, but the head. My guess is the aluminum head takes the beating. Correct me if I am wrong. The valves sink, in turn the valves become tighter.

I think I have read that explaination in a reply from Ed somewhere. :-\\\

 

[jwhelan65]

That paint job looks fantastic! Did you purposely tease us by just taking pics of small sections??

yep! no not really, I'm waiting for the parts to rebuild the forks and replace seals so I can re-assemble the front end. wait, wait, wait..... The tank was acid dipped but still has some rust in it. Wondering if I should use some form of tank liner POR-15? any suggestions?

Also need to replace the rubber grommets for the plastics..

 

[jwhelan65]

Joe,

I'm about too on the 700E.

It has been a while since the last adjustment.

But, since this relates to your machine as well as many of the 16v engines.

Per the manual on the 700/750E ES/others, adjustment is 0.09-0.13mm (0.004-0.005") is splitting hairs here. On the low side, on the high side, there is not a high side or low side in the spec. Dead nut is the phrase.

Now, for those who have done miltiple valve adjustments as miles accumulate on the 16v engines enlighten us.. 8v engines speak out if you need too.

Which way does the valve terrain usually go?

A. It loosens up?

B. It tightens up?


I know, do a search.

Everything I have read says tightens up.

Maybe wrong.

Makes sense to me, all the parts are steel, but the head. My guess is the aluminum head takes the beating. Correct me if I am wrong. The valves sink, in turn the valves become tighter.

I think I have read that explaination in a reply from Ed somewhere. :-\\\

With only 8600 miles on mine do you think it needs it?

 

[tejasmud]

With only 8600 miles on mine do you think it needs it?

Just depends on the PO, and how well the bike was maintained.

If no initial adjustments were ever done, or no record, yep, in a heartbeat.

It is easy, best to just do it and know.

Sort of like the forks.

 

[Guest]

Which way does the valve terrain usually go?

A. It loosens up?

B. It tightens up?

They tighten up, so looser is better (lasts longer before needing another adjustment) than tighter.

With only 8600 miles on mine do you think it needs it?

My 1150 has 7000 miles. I checked them at 2500 and they were all fine. I checked them again at 5800 and 4 needed adjustment.

 

[Rkt-Rch]

Agreed, always better to be a bit looser than to tight and burn a valve, I just did mine because I was not sure WHEN they were last done or checked and when I did check them I did find 3-5 of them alittle tight. I set mine at .005 which they were all pretty much at already but I do feel better that at least I have checked them. Sounds like you coud just get a pint/quart (what ever the kit had I used) of the Por 15 and be done with it and feel better about that Beatuiful painted tank.
I'm almost done polishing the VC (What a pain) good enough for now anyway. The Por 15 sealant looks to have come out great and feels like steel.. (silver) I wasn't going to say anything about the painted over rubber groumets on the tank... LOL You must be going nuts now that the forks are all apart..

 

[Guest]

The tank was acid dipped but still has some rust in it. Wondering if I should use some form of tank liner POR-15?

How bad is the rust? If it's just a few freckles, I'd leave it alone. I personally wouldn't want to be messing with that pretty tank if I absolutely didn't have to. With my luck I would probably drop it or spill crap on it. Maybe just run a fuel filter on it for awhile, and keep the tank full on a regular basis. If it's bad, then use the POR-15 stuff...much better than the Kream stuff.

 

[Nessism]

Evapo Rust will eat the rust and not hurt the metal. Won't hurt paint either. Good stuff.

 

[jwhelan65]

Evapo Rust will eat the rust and not hurt the metal. Won't hurt paint either. Good stuff.

Ordered some today..whats the best way to use it?

 

[jwhelan65]

After removing the clip on the left fork, the seat would not budge, it was totally rusted shut. My good friend Mr Eric (Tejasmud ) up in McKinney Texas put it on a lathe and bored it out..ordred new seats with the fork parts I was able to salvage the clips. Thanks Eric! :clap:

Top of fork..

 

[jwhelan65]

a few more

 

[gs700es]

wow i pulled 2 gs700es engines in the last 24 hours what a pain only to swap from one frame to another i got a good bike with no title and a seized bike with a title funnnn funnnnnnnn

 

[tejasmud]

After removing the clip on the left fork, the seat would not budge, it was totally rusted shut. My good friend Mr Eric (Tejasmud ) up in McKinney Texas put it on a lathe and bored it out..ordred new seats with the fork parts I was able to salvage the clips. Thanks Eric! :clap:

Not a problem Joe. Given this fork tube design was not a Suzuki highlight of the era, a dab of bearing grease smeared under the rubber caps to coat things should prevent them from ever getting this way again, I would think.

 

[Rkt-Rch]

I am NOT looking foward to doing my forks !!! They look at least as bad if not worse, the tops of the fork tubes had NO caps and it was solid rust...

Good news is my VC is ready to go back on, I did a Semi sand/polish and it came out fairly decent, BUT I WANT to ride so it will have to wait for a total polish jod this winter, It really looks better then the pictures shows.

I still need to do a final buffing wheel polish in the morning before it goes back on. Tank Por 15ed and ready, Valves adjusted, New plug wires, New Clutch plates, new S/S front brake lines, Used 1100 R/R...

 

[salty_monk]

I may have a set of forks going soon... (if my upgrades work out as planned) They should come apart easy as there isn't even any pitting on the tubes. It's a desert bike.

 

[jwhelan65]

Decided to save a little green and rattlecan a few parts, turned out better than I expected. Did the calipers, modular valve and plunger, axle holder, and the hose guides. Also did the fork brace. Used three coats of Dupli-color and two coats of VHT high temp clear.

Followed tejasmud's lead and painted the outer tubes and ordered a set of Progressive springs to complete the fork re-build.

Did the holders in the granite to add a little contrast to all the black. Finished up the nose piece with some Plasti-coat.

 

[tejasmud]

Dang Brother you have been hard at work. Looks real good, and can't wait to see it all mounted on the bike. :clap:

I have been wondering about the Tarrozi fork brace, anyway you can shoot a pic of the ID where it mounts to the tubes?

Just curious. Looks like the dust seals mount to the brace.

Here waiting on parts and doing some research, my thread will come alive soon.

 

[errorcauser]

What color is that you sprayed in the first and second pictures ? Looks like a perfect match for the painted part of my wheels. If not perfect, it's close enough for me.

Those all look nice man. Can't wait to see your bike all back together.

 

[Guest]

Everything looks great, Joe!


Good thing your winters are warm so you can ride that thing this year. It will be done by then, right?

 

[jwhelan65]

Dang Brother you have been hard at work. Looks real good, and can't wait to see it all mounted on the bike. :clap:

I have been wondering about the Tarrozi fork brace, anyway you can shoot a pic of the ID where it mounts to the tubes?

Just curious. Looks like the dust seals mount to the brace.

Here waiting on parts and doing some research, my thread will come alive soon.

Thanks man!, yes the dust covers mount to the brace, it looks like it will cover the top lines of the outers also. Parts , parts, parts...always waiting as well.