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Stage 3 Dyno Jet Kit GS 1000 & Dyna III electronic ignit

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T-Dan,Wheelie,more carb info that might matter.

T-Dan,Wheelie,more carb info that might matter.

Hi. It's important to know what 'year' stock carbs you have. If you bought your bikes used,you would'nt know for sure,they could have been changed. I bring this up because it caused me a lot of wasted time. I replaced my original carbs with a salvage set because 1 carb had a stripped side mixture screw and they would only sell the whole carb bank. They were tagged as '79's. The '78-80 carbs look identical. After going up 5 pilot sizes with bad results, I took off carbs to inspect. In comparing them with my originals,I found that they have a different pilot circuit. They had a pilot screw with a blunt cut-off tip and the passage they are in is capped at the carb throat. My originals have a sharp tipped screw and the passage is open to the throat. Following the factory manual diagram,I could see that the original carb circuit runs richer. So that's why I could'nt get rid of the constant 'spitting' out of the filters. I found some carbs like mine and was able to jet finally. Those other carbs could have other differences,I don't know. My manual says the '80 model had to pass stricter smog tests,so it was designed to run leaner. I think I was sold the '80 carb miss-marked as a '79. Wheelie says he's having trouble at low rpm, after a lot of jetting attempts. Maybe the same thing happened?
I think Wheelie should check his carbs if any doubt. If you have never touched the pilot's before,they are underneath the carb on engine side. Check the position of the screw slot(using a small mirror if on the bike)and count how much it turns in,making sure to seat it lightly. If like mine,it will be around 1-1 1/2 turns out. When you take it out,be careful to not lose small spring,it can hang up in hole and fall out when you're not looking. When you replace it,put some thin lube on the o-ring to help it not come out of its groove. T-Dan is not having low rpm trouble. If a carb swap has happened to his bike,it may not show up because he's got a stock air box. But because he's changing to pod filters,I think he should check one of his pilot screws also. I know this is a long post and I apologize if I get too detailed,I don't know how much experience you guys have. Just want to help you guys with any tips I can. Keep me posted! KK.
PS:T-Dan has this topic in the Performance section if you did'nt know. There may be other replies that interest you.
 
Hey Keith and All,

I just tore down the carbs and here's where they are set.
Pilot #15
Main #138
Needle e-clip on #2 with .032" shim underneath
Pilot screw 3 3/4 turns out
Idle mixture 1 1/4 turns out

Well, I can see where the rich idle is. The idle mixture is an air bleed, turn in to richen, out to lean. The pilot is air/fuel mixture, out to richen, in to lean. I've reset these to Keith's recomendations.
Since I'm still running the standard displacement, I'm going to stick with the 138 mains for now.
I've got the same jet kit as Keith so I've got the same needles. My setting is only .010" leaner than his.
So now the question. How far do you move the needles? This thing is lean enough to "spit" (I've described it that way, too) about once every 1/4 mile on average while cruising. How many notches did you have to move yours Keith?

Almost forgot. The floats are all in spec. I measured with the gaskets on and added another .050" for the gasket.

Steve
 
Wheelie.

Wheelie.

Wheelie said:
Hey Keith and All,

I just tore down the carbs and here's where they are set.
Pilot #15
Main #138
Needle e-clip on #2 with .032" shim underneath
Pilot screw 3 3/4 turns out
Idle mixture 1 1/4 turns out

Well, I can see where the rich idle is. The idle mixture is an air bleed, turn in to richen, out to lean. The pilot is air/fuel mixture, out to richen, in to lean. I've reset these to Keith's recomendations.
Since I'm still running the standard displacement, I'm going to stick with the 138 mains for now.
I've got the same jet kit as Keith so I've got the same needles. My setting is only .010" leaner than his.
So now the question. How far do you move the needles? This thing is lean enough to "spit" (I've described it that way, too) about once every 1/4 mile on average while cruising. How many notches did you have to move yours Keith?

Almost forgot. The floats are all in spec. I measured with the gaskets on and added another .050" for the gasket.

Steve

Put the needle clip in #3 position(from top). IMPORTANT! >The spacers,when used, DO NOT go under the clip on Suzuki's,they go on TOP the clip. When installing the needle,it should have a spring,then a thin nylon bushing,the clip,a spacer on top(if needed),and the thicker nylon bushing on top. Someone did not assemble your needle the right way. The spacer is not doing anything,except maybe binding things up.Some of the other makers assemble the carbs differently,but not Suzuki. I don't know why your spacers are .032 and mine are .023? If position #3 is still too lean,then put the clip in #4 position with a spacer on top the clip. Mine is in #3 with no spacer. I occassionally get a few 'spits' at warm-up,especially on colder mornings,but a little extra choke stops that. I you prefer,you can go first to the #4 w/spacer setting.
As for measuring your floats,you are supposed to do it with NO gasket. How can you tell how thick it is? You should re-measure,it's too important!
Also,did you see my earlier posts?(If it matters) Let me know how it goes. KK.
 
The carbs were not assembled wrong. The .032" plastic spacer and another .100" thick spacer come with the carbs from the factory. These are the ones you are calling nylon bushings. The .023" spacer is the one from the Dynojet kit and that is your 1/2 step spacer.
So, now that we have figured out each others terminology and realize we're talking about the same thing, I need to know how many notches you moved your clips to stop the spitting. I think that with the porting I may need to run a bit richer than you are.
Also, the bowl gaskets are .050". Since my floats measured in at .089"with the gasket in place, I'm confident that they're within spec.
Thanks for the help,
Steve
 
Wheelie said:
The carbs were not assembled wrong. The .032" plastic spacer and another .100" thick spacer come with the carbs from the factory. These are the ones you are calling nylon bushings. The .023" spacer is the one from the Dynojet kit and that is your 1/2 step spacer.
So, now that we have figured out each others terminology and realize we're talking about the same thing, I need to know how many notches you moved your clips to stop the spitting. I think that with the porting I may need to run a bit richer than you are.
Also, the bowl gaskets are .050". Since my floats measured in at .089"with the gasket in place, I'm confident that they're within spec.
Thanks for the help,
Steve
Sorry for confusion. In your Feb.17 reply you said the needle e-clip was in #2 position with a .032 shim underneath. That was what confused me. I mistook the 'shim' for some kind of jetting spacer. Now I know the 'shim' is really the factory plastic spacer. You say with your porting you may need to run a bit richer than mine. My needle clip is in #3 from the top,so the next step richer would be Needle clip in #4 from the top,with the Dynojet spacer on top the clip. That would be 1/2 a position richer than my set-up and 1 1/2 positions richer than where you are now. It's no wonder your bike 'spits',the clip in #2 is VERY lean. Let me know how it goes. KK.
 
All right, the carbs are readjusted and I'm in about to degree the cams to 106 degrees. I'll keep you posted.

Steve
 
So how did the re-jetting go? I have some new found advice on eliminating
the 'spitting' problem. KK.
 
Dynojet-K&N have always warned, that in the case of their stage 3 jet kits, drivability may suffer. The key word is "may" :)
 
hey if you do decide to go to winfeild, give me a holler, i'm over here in chicago, and i'm up for watching you guys figure out these carbs, i'm doing simalr mods this weekend to my bike, stage 3 jet kit, 4-1 exhaust and pods. so i'm intrested in see what needs to be done to get these bikes right.
 
first timer said:
hey if you do decide to go to winfeild, give me a holler, i'm over here in chicago, and i'm up for watching you guys figure out these carbs, i'm doing simalr mods this weekend to my bike, stage 3 jet kit, 4-1 exhaust and pods. so i'm intrested in see what needs to be done to get these bikes right.
Hi. Iv'e got my bike running great at ALL times and I'm trying to help wheelie and others,but it's been a month since his last reply. He may be busy.I'd like to know if I helped. KK.
 
jetting VM26ss carb's

jetting VM26ss carb's

Sorry wheelie but I agree with the other guy's. I got my 78 1000EC in stock condition with 18,000 mile's on the clock. I rode it around a bit just to see that it ran fine then did the pods and 4-1 pipe thing. I live at 3800 feet above sea level and with 102.5 jets to replace the stock 95's, the needles moved up one notch and the timeing tweaked, I have a very noticeable power increase. I have no problem of any kind from idle right to top rpm. The only problem I encounter is fear!
 
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