Stator "Cross Referance" and other question

[prpldude]

I have a 80 GS850GLT and I need to replace the stator. I found one on Ebay for a 78 GS750 and was wondering if it would fit? Is there somewhere I can find what years and parts are compatible?

Also is there a way to check the r/r unit? I found how to check the stator (that's how I know I have to replace it) but I could not find how to check the R/R?

Should I replace both R/R and stator no matter what? or can I replace just the suspect part?

Thanks in advance,
Marc

 

[BassCliff]

Hi,

I found this on some guy's website:

Suzuki Chart: Battery, Plugs, Tire, Chain, Sprockets
and Parts Cross-Reference

I've also heard of a magical document called "The Stator Papers" that has all kinds of troubleshooting procedures for charging system components.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[Suzuki_Don]

Try these models. They all use the same stator as your bike. It looks like you are out of luck with the '78 GS750 stator.

Part # = 31401-45120
Part Description = STATOR ASSEMBLY
Model Count = 23

GSX750EZ 1982 747 GSX750E STREET
GSX750SD 1983 747 GSX750S KATANA SPORT
GSX750TD 1983 747 GSX750T STREET
GS650GD 1983 673 GS650G KATANA STREET
GS650GLD 1983 673 GS650GL STREET
GS650GLX 1981 673 GS650GL STREET
GS650GLZ 1982 673 GS650GL STREET
GS650GTD 1983 673 GS650GT STREET
GS650GTZ 1982 673 GS650GT STREET
GS650GX 1981 673 GS650G KATANA STREET
GS750ET 1980 748 GS750E STREET
GS750EX 1981 748 GS750E STREET
GS750LT 1980 748 GS750L STREET
GS750LX 1981 748 GS750L STREET
GS750TZ 1982 748 GS750T STREET
GS850GD 1983 844 GS850G STREET
GS850GLD 1983 844 GS850GL STREET
GS850GLT 1980 844 GS850GL STREET
GS850GLX 1981 844 GS850GL STREET
GS850GLZ 1982 844 GS850GL STREET
GS850GT 1980 844 GS850G STREET
GS850GX 1981 844 GS850G STREET
GS850GZ 1982 844 GS850G STREET

 

[Suzuki_Don]

Why not rewind your own stator. There are a couple of threads on the forum at the present time that will point you in the right direction. Doesn't appear too difficult. Only costs about 30 bucks I believe.

 

[Steve]

I have seen many of the '79-and-older bikes using 12-pole stators, while the '80-and-newer bikes use the 18-pole stators. While each works well enough in its intended application, they cannot be exchanged. To use the other type of stator, you will also have to change the rotor/flywheel to match, as they have a different number of magnets to match the number of poles on the stator.

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[prpldude]

Thanks, for your help.

Bass Cliff that is a great resource for cross referencing. Can anyone please list the URL for the stator rewind. I'll do a search, but just in case I can't find it.

Thanks,
Marc

 

[prpldude]

ok found the stator rewind page. :0)
http://www.thegsresources.com/garage/gs_statorrewind.htm

Thanks Again

 

[prpldude]

I keep finding ones that won't work I found a 83 gs450 stator on ebay. It doesn't look like it will work either. I"m having trouble finding the 17guage wire to rewind my stator.. this is when I don't like living in a small town LOL

 

[SqDancerLynn1]

Here's a better link for the rewind
http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?t=100230

 

[BassCliff]

Hi,

From the "Electrical Odds and Ends" section of my website (blue text is click-able):

Stator Rewinding

Using the stator rewinding guide in the Garage Section of The GS Resources Mr. Nerobro documents his stator rewinding experience in this thread on the GSR Forum.

I'm just trying to collect the best of the best and keep it somewhat organized on my website in case I ever need it. But I like to share too.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[prpldude]

Thank you guys for the links, very helpful. Now to just find the wire nearby so it will be cost effective :0)

 

[prpldude]

I found this stator new http://www.electrosport.com/products/product-detail-410.php, and it says it works for certain bikes. does that mean if I find one of those year stators used that it will work for my bike? In the link above if you click on the Suzuki it shows it works for a 83 GS450

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983...ies?hash=item4836e46003&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

so this should work right?

 

[prpldude]

Well I ended up finding a good stator and cover for a 82 GS750E I "think" will work. Not sure how the "E" models are different from the "G" or "GL", or the "GS" from "GSX". Checking the cross references it had a 82 GSX750E and GS750E of different years.

I received my stator today and it checks out good following the stator papers. But I did notice the cover said "TSCC" <--- something else new to me LOL watch this be the thing that makes "THIS" stator not work with my bike. I know I can sell it for what I got it for if it doesn't work.

Also I was checking my "new" R/R that I got from another GSRer and it has the same reading as my R/R on my bike which is also what Crash-Harris stated his R/R metered out at on his thread:
http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?t=146381
digital multimeters to the "diode test" setting and put the positive lead on the red lead of the R/R and the negative lead to the yellow wire and got nothing.

In the stator papers It says I should be getting 1.5V. All other test come out fine according to the stator papers.

Is my R/R and the one I just received bad?

Thanks again,
Marc

 

[propflux01]

In the stator papers It says I should be getting 1.5V. All other test come out fine according to the stator papers.

I just did a stator/R&R replacement on mine last week. I never got either of my regulators to show that 1.5V either. I first used the old R&R, tehn replaced it with the new R&R just in case, and both work fine.

 

[prpldude]

propflux, Thanks so much for your insight. I will be replacing my stator and finishing my coil relay mod tomorrow. I'll keep the R/R just in case.

 

[prpldude]

Look what I found when I opened up my left crankcase today.
The Stator had a broken and frayed wire just hanging out in there. Another wire was missing some of it's insulation.
Screws were missing and loose.

Broken wire and missing insulation.

Red circles were loose screws. Blue circle screw was missing.

When I took the stator out one of the wires broke where it went into the shielding. On the backside of the stator there is insulation missing from one of the wires where it starts it's windings. The PO must have "tried" to replace the stator. It's sad when someone doesn't do the job right.

Other than those issues the stator and windings look brand new. No cooked wires. no gross oil on it. I wish I could salvage it. But I think I will rewind it just to make sure.

I will finish hooking up all the wires and relay mod in the morning. And check the charging system.

 

[BassCliff]

Hi,

Sure, why can't you just re-solder and shrinktube the broken part of the wire? From what I see, that stator is probably not cooked. The stator itself should have three screws holding it into the cover. The stator wires should go under that panel on the bottom of the cover. The panel keeps the wires out of the way of the magnet rotor. The other two missing screws should have little holder brackets. They're not necessarily critical, but help hold the wires in place so that they don't vibrate and rub off the insulation. See my stator replacement guide for lots of pictures.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[prpldude]

one of the 17 gauge copper wires that starts the winding on the bottom of the stator is missing it's insulation.

I already got a good one off of Ebay and put it in. It had everything I needed to do this one correct. I used "red" loctite on all of the screws inside. The "new" stator had the protective sleeve in great condition.

 

[prpldude]

SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!

13.68 at 2500 rpm
13.70 at 5000 rpm

starts right up and purrrss.

except for my little backfire I need to fix. But that will wait till this winter. I'll clean carbs and put new intake "gasket rings" on. And clean the air filter.

Thanks, everyone for your help and advice.