Stator papers

[jimbo]

Please direct me to the "stator papers".thank you

 

[Allie]

At the bottom of this page on the right hand side is a link for 'The GS Resources Home Page'. Click on that, and on the Home Page click on the Technical menu.

 

[posplayr]

Before reading them you should read this...............
http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?191795-GS-Stator

 

[Allie]

Ouch I just went there and that part is still 'under development'. I guess Frank is still in the midst of revamping the site. I wonder if there's a PDF somewhere?

 

[posplayr]

Thank JC he finally pulled that shameless shill's rag......................

 

[allojohn]

That's a bit harsh Jim.

 

[Guest]

What's harsh is a long battle to get the proper information out there. Things change and Jim certainly has proved it, first with the Series regulator and then updated stator and grounding information. I realize there was most likely vendor money tied up with the website that has probably become somewhat of a sticky situation, but even though at least one vendor has had some stellar stators, they are still peddling inferior outdated technology in the R/R department. Suzuki didn't even get it right. It's time to correct the record and move on. I can't blame Jim for being "SLIGHTLY" irritated.

 

[Allie]

He's a little more than 'slightly irritated'... I get that there are better options and info out there now, and that change around here is a long time coming. That seems a bit over the top though.

 

[jimbo]

Thank you, I have tried that. I can't get the "technical" menu to open. I fact none of the files on that header with a down arrow will open for me?

 

[Allie]

Thank you, I have tried that. I can't get the "technical" menu to open. I fact none of the files on that header with a down arrow will open for me?

Right, as I said I went over there after I posted and it's still under construction. You can follow Posplayer's link and find some good info though, he knows what he's talking about, irascibility notwithstanding. He has improved diagnostic info available.

 

[jimbo]

Thanks very much

 

[allojohn]

He has massively improved diagnostic info available.

Had to add that.....

 

[Allie]

He has massive poopypants

Had to add that.....

Hey I never said that!! You're bad...

 

[posplayr]

That's a bit harsh Jim.

It might seem harsh, but it is well deserved. I should clarify the label "shill" is in reference to the authors of the "stator pages" (about 5 pages of infomercial on Electrosport products). I don't recall exactly at the moment what the full content was , but do distinctly remember rereading the pages after posting "Stator Pages" and about the only thing useful, I remember beyond the troubleshooting flowchart was a discussion of dirty connections.

My issue is not with "other information", "lack of information" or even "wrong information". The issue in my mind with respect to the Stator Pages ( as maintained by the authors) is that they made no effort to improve them, but rather demonstrated clearly that their only intent was to support ElectroSport products under the guise of being unbiased members of the GSR. What else do you call someone that hocks a product in the manner done and much worse an inferior product as the best that one can buy, be called anything but a "shill".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.
"Shill" typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that they are an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom they are secretly working.

With respect to the term "rag", while I will freely admit and have published such that the trouble shooting guide was a wonderful thing. When writing one of my first guides back in 2009(in response to the Stator Pages requests for Information), I choose to support the style of the Troubleshooting Guide adding to it rather than completely reformatting it. These are now the Revised Phase A and Revised Phase B testing procedures. So while the trouble shooting guide was very useful, it is problematic in a few areas. "Rag" refers less to it than the rest of the infomercial diatribe which does nothing much other than to leave the reader with an uncontrollable urge to order an Electrosport R/R.

http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?143019-GS-Stators-Helpful-additions

http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?191795-GS-Stator

Should we take a poll of how many people ran out and bought an Electrosport R/R after having read the "Stator Pages" and lived to regret it? Surely any of they will have fewer qualms about my choice of words.

 

[Allie]

When the Stator Pages was first published, was the shunt vs. series issue widely known? I get the idea that when Electrex started selling, going to another shunt R/R was the best option that was generally known about. I don't see how you can justify slamming them for selling it, unless it was actually inferior to the stock units which I doubt is true. If they knew at the time that it wasn't the best option then I could see it I guess, but did they? I'm also not seeing the dishonesty in relationship that you descry, I mean it was pretty plain that GSR endorsed the product, I thought. The info and product, as far as I can tell, was stator of the art at the time, and the only real issue you can legitimately take up is why it has taken so long to get it updated, or are you saying there is some kind of kick back continuing?

 

[Guest]

When the Stator Pages was first published, was the shunt vs. series issue widely known? I get the idea that when Electrex started selling, going to another shunt R/R was the best option that was generally known about. I don't see how you can justify slamming them for selling it, unless it was actually inferior to the stock units which I doubt is true. If they knew at the time that it wasn't the best option then I could see it I guess, but did they? I'm also not seeing the dishonesty in relationship that you descry, I mean it was pretty plain that GSR endorsed the product, I thought. The info and product, as far as I can tell, was stator of the art at the time, and the only real issue you can legitimately take up is why it has taken so long to get it updated, or are you saying there is some kind of kick back continuing?

When I first read the Stator Papers, far as I know the Series RR was a total unknown back then. Posplayr's papers are SOOOOOOOOOO much better, just trash the Stator papers and forget Electrex ever exsisted. It was garbage. Posplayr all the way.

 

[posplayr]

When the Stator Pages was first published, was the shunt vs. series issue widely known? I get the idea that when Electrex started selling, going to another shunt R/R was the best option that was generally known about. I don't see how you can justify slamming them for selling it, unless it was actually inferior to the stock units which I doubt is true. If they knew at the time that it wasn't the best option then I could see it I guess, but did they? I'm also not seeing the dishonesty in relationship that you descry, I mean it was pretty plain that GSR endorsed the product, I thought. The info and product, as far as I can tell, was stator of the art at the time, and the only real issue you can legitimately take up is why it has taken so long to get it updated, or are you saying there is some kind of kick back continuing?

Allie,
If you are responding to me, I guess my only response is to re-read what I said. I certainly did not state that Electrix/electrosport should be "decryed" because they want to sell Shunt R/R's. You are taking great liberty in attributing such an insinuation to me.

The authors of the Stator Pages acted as "shills" on behalf of Electrosport. That is a plain fact assuming common usage of the English language.

 

[Allie]

Allie,
If you are responding to me, I guess my only response is to re-read what I said. I certainly did not state that Electrix/electrosport should be "decryed" because they want to sell Shunt R/R's. You are taking great liberty in attributing such an insinuation to me.

The authors of the Stator Pages acted as "shills" on behalf of Electrosport. That is a plain fact assuming common usage of the English language.

I'm taking no liberties whatsoever, I'm trying to understand why you have an apparent axe to grind. The word I used, 'descry', means to detect or to see something. I used the word referencing the relationship between Electrex and GSR, not the product in question.

Okay so, and I'm sure I could have missed this which is why I'm asking, by your use of the word 'shill' the author of the papers either worked for or owned Electrex? Okay fair enough if so, though I'm not exactly sure what harm was done at the time though, other than getting some free advertising for a good for the time product.

You most certainly do slam them for selling their product though, that much is plain.

Regardless, to someone who doesn't know a lot of the back story (that's a lot of us) you come off pretty harsh, and I've seen it a few times. And I'm not the only one. I'm sure you have a lot of good points but you're not exactly doing your own business any good when you launch these little tirades. And they're not always confined to this subject. You're certainly not making your wares attractive to me at any rate. For what it's worth... You can respond however you want but I see no point in arguing the issue any further, it is what it is and you're gonna do what you're gonna do.

 

[jimbo]

Hey fella's, I'm a newbie, but I seem to have inflamed a touchy subject. I only want to know how to rewire my stator and modify my harness to give good performance. I am a layman and your way over my head here. My thought was simple directions on how to rewire in the 3rd phase of my stator and or improve the grounding of the rr as well as clean up my loom. Thanks

 

[allojohn]

Crikey, I didn't intend to turn this thread in a southerly direction with my comment. It was a brief remark as I didn't see the same intent as Jim did. No more than that, ...... I'm not sure I do now.