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Save the Date: 2026 Brown County Indiana Rally - June 11-14, 2026
- Thread starter bwringer
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BOOoooooooooo ! !
Oh, Sorry to hear.
This is ON MY CALENDAR - as long as it's ok to bring my Goldwing - I sold the GS850 lst fall -
Not sure if this is the place to mention it -
But I am officially retiring June 1st -
Currently I am on disability until May 29 -
I had the great pleasure of having my life saved by a double bypass operation in January -
Those of you who know me personally please do not worry as I am recovering nicely -
This will be the first rally I can attend after recovery so I am pretty exctied about it .
Want more info ? cmunkwitz@gmail.com will reach me directly
Not sure if this is the place to mention it -
But I am officially retiring June 1st -
Currently I am on disability until May 29 -
I had the great pleasure of having my life saved by a double bypass operation in January -
Those of you who know me personally please do not worry as I am recovering nicely -
This will be the first rally I can attend after recovery so I am pretty exctied about it .
Want more info ? cmunkwitz@gmail.com will reach me directly
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This is ON MY CALENDAR - as long as it's ok to bring my Goldwing - I sold the GS850 lst fall -
Not sure if this is the place to mention it -
But I am officially retiring June 1st -
Currently I am on disability until May 29 -
I had the great pleasure of having my life saved by a double bypass operation in January -
Those of you who know me personally please do not worry as I am recovering nicely -
This will be the first rally I can attend after recovery so I am pretty exctied about it .
Want more info ? cmunkwitz@gmail.com will reach me directly
Oh man Carl, I'm so glad your recovering well! I hope we get stuck with you for a couple more decade at least after the rebuild!
Congratulation on retirement!!!
I wish I could go to this but the BMW MOA rally is in Vermont this year, I don't go but allot of my close friends do and I'm hosting them that weekend.
I am planning to be in KY, IA and IL by the end of the month again maybe I could do some couch surfing then? That also is not 100% becasue my wife will be entering month 8 of our second kid.
So I'll have a brand new human child in our home come August/September. I won't be hosting anything but will have the GMR ( Green Mountain Rally) on my radar. Rich82GS750TZ and storm 64 that's the event to gun for! It is camping but it is awesome!
Best,
FANTASTIC and Congratulations - Another little Jedz on the earth - That's the best
You are welecome to find a bed in my home anytime you are coming around - WE have a few empty rooms now the kids are all grown and gone
Steve
GS Whisperer
I have visited those rooms and can tell you they are quite comfortable. :encouragement:
IF you happen to be needing a 'couch' in southwest oHIo, we don't have a couch worth sleeping on, we will offer the guest room with a king-size bed.
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Greetings, all you red-eyed, nail-biting, slobbering curve addicts! Get ready for another hit of that sweet, sweet, gravel-strewn lean angle...
I just sent out the annual MASSIVE email to what I hope is a reasonably complete list of folks who might possibly be interested. As ever, please share or let me know if I have something incorrect, or if I inadvertently left someone off the list who should be on it.
Many of you have contacted me directly or indicated your attendance or regrets in this thread, but it's probably easier for me to track if you go ahead and reply to the email anyway.
See you soon!
I just sent out the annual MASSIVE email to what I hope is a reasonably complete list of folks who might possibly be interested. As ever, please share or let me know if I have something incorrect, or if I inadvertently left someone off the list who should be on it.
Many of you have contacted me directly or indicated your attendance or regrets in this thread, but it's probably easier for me to track if you go ahead and reply to the email anyway.
See you soon!
There are still rooms available, and I haven't heard back from several of the regulars -- please check your spam folder and let me know if you, or someone else, should have gotten an email and didn't.
This is a gloriously shambolic sort of thing, with the absolute minimum of organization, which amounts to me managing a rooming list so that we don't descend into mutual spooning chaos.
If you're on the fence, or haven't been before, I can promise a most excellent vibe and hang time with some of the finest and chill-est folks on the planet. Spouses and significant others of all sorts and even kids are more than welcome, and will enjoy themselves.
The riding and scenery in the hills of southern Indiana are excellent, and there's lots to do and see. Everything is choose-your-own-adventure, with plenty of advice available if you want it. Folks generally scatter in all directions, in small groups or even alone, as the spirit moves them.
This is a gloriously shambolic sort of thing, with the absolute minimum of organization, which amounts to me managing a rooming list so that we don't descend into mutual spooning chaos.
If you're on the fence, or haven't been before, I can promise a most excellent vibe and hang time with some of the finest and chill-est folks on the planet. Spouses and significant others of all sorts and even kids are more than welcome, and will enjoy themselves.
The riding and scenery in the hills of southern Indiana are excellent, and there's lots to do and see. Everything is choose-your-own-adventure, with plenty of advice available if you want it. Folks generally scatter in all directions, in small groups or even alone, as the spirit moves them.
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I'll echo what Brian said, as someone who has only attended one of these before. The most laid back "run what you brung, ride how/where/when you want" gathering I've been to, with a great crowd of easy going folks. The Rosemount motel back parking lot is optimally arranged for hanging out in, bullshitting with folks and checking out bikes. Still hemming and hawwing over whether I bring the Bandit or the just-revived GS850. I guess some local test riding will determine how confident I feel about the 850.
I'll be there! Looking forward to the riding and evening conversation.
Someone messaged me a few questions about this here hooraw, and below is the bulk of my answer about what to expect.
I still have a few rooms left on the rooming list if anyone's on the fence; please email me at brian@bwringer.com
Also, I'll share some GPX tracks as the day gets closer. As usual, there are a few awkward road closings, so I'll try to gather info on those.
In a nutshell, this is just riders hanging out; it's not the sort of gathering that has vendors, fees, or anything resembling organization. When applied to anything at or above the bare minimum, the "P" word (pl--ning) is considered slightly offensive, in fact.
We get together at a historic old motor court style motel called the Rosemount in Bedford Indiana, which is located pretty much in the center of some of Indiana's best scenery and roads, yet is big enough to have a Harbor Freight, auto parts stores, and a Walmart if supplies are needed. The room rates are ridiculously low; you pay when you arrive.
Ands yes, we still call it the Brown County rally even though it's been based two counties away in Lawrence county since (I think) 2009. That should give you some idea of the complete disinterest in organization or even logic here...
The only nod to organization is that I work with the hotel manager to set a date every year, and I maintain a rooming list for the hotel. We pretty much take over the place, but the number of rooms is limited, so someone (I guess that's me...) has to wrangle a list so no one has to spoon or go homeless.
On Thursday, folks generally sort out their own lunch and dinner plans in various ways. Some of us in Indiana have lunch at the Mayberry Cafe in Danville, IN at 1:00 on Thursday, then meander south.
On Friday, we usually have a pizza slaughter, but the amount of salad on hand seems to have grown as we get older.
Saturday's feature is the Indian Feast; the manager Jay Patel and his family are kind enough to prepare home cooking from India for us, and it's spectacular. Definitely not the stuff you find in restaurants. (Even if you think you don't like Indian food... you'll love this.)
Someone (maybe me, maybe not...) will collect ten bucks cash both nights; please have some folding money on hand.
All types of motorcycles are welcome; we're not organized enough to keep anyone out. Riders have arrived in convertibles before due to medical or mechanical necessity. Most years, there's about a half and half mix of actual Suzuki GS models and other bikes. Modern Triumphs are getting to be super popular in this crowd.
We hang out in the parking lot, and that's about it. And that is plenty.
It's a mellow, welcoming, very inclusive sort of vibe, and family friendly as long as you don't mind a little garage language here and there. Women and children appear and are welcomed and included. Some folks enjoy a few beers in the evening, but generally no one gets drunk, because then they'd end up hungover and miss some prime riding. We take good care of each other. Folks who ride old motorcycles tend to be self-starters anyway, so no one has ever had to be asked to clean up or help raise the canopy we use for shade. And filthy talk of politics, religion, and work has no place here.
As someone once put it, we're about as intimidating as a high school marching band. I'd say we're quite a bit less intimidating, in fact. As someone else once said (we're not organized enough to remember who), "No one's invited. Everyone is welcome." (But please get in touch first if you want a bunk at the Rosemount.)
As to the riding... it's the exact opposite of an organized parade with road captains, hand signals, and all that nonsense. It's people going out riding, sometimes with a few pals, and that's it. I'll hand out maps (they're kinda old, but the roads haven't really changed) and share GPX tracks if you're interested. Riders scatter all over the place, alone or in small groups (no more than five or six is STRONGLY recommended), as the spirit moves them. There are lots of cool and even unexpected things to see. It's also really fun to randomly encounter other roaming riders throughout the day. Wave, chat, hop between groups, whatever.
As to the riding culture... This is and always has been very much an ATGATT crowd; if you prefer to ride bareheaded in a t-shirt and flip flops, that is legally your decision in Indiana, but to be blunt most people won't want to ride with you.
The skill level is very high on average, and riding styles range from sightseeing to quite spirited. Some folks stop a lot and take pictures and meander a lot and might do a hundred miles or so in a day, some do 250 to 300 miles of twisties. Rain in June in Indiana is common, but it's also rarely an all day thing, and quite often we dodge storm cells, and most of us ride in the rain anyway. (In other words, the rally and riding happen no matter what the forecast is, and if you let a little moisture scare you away, you'll miss a lot of great riding.)
Most people still ride in, but there are quite a few trailers as well, and no one really cares one way or the other.
If you check the threads from past Brown County rallies, you'll see some pictures and maybe can pick up a little of the shambolic, gloriously anti-organized vibe.
I still have a few rooms left on the rooming list if anyone's on the fence; please email me at brian@bwringer.com
Also, I'll share some GPX tracks as the day gets closer. As usual, there are a few awkward road closings, so I'll try to gather info on those.
In a nutshell, this is just riders hanging out; it's not the sort of gathering that has vendors, fees, or anything resembling organization. When applied to anything at or above the bare minimum, the "P" word (pl--ning) is considered slightly offensive, in fact.
We get together at a historic old motor court style motel called the Rosemount in Bedford Indiana, which is located pretty much in the center of some of Indiana's best scenery and roads, yet is big enough to have a Harbor Freight, auto parts stores, and a Walmart if supplies are needed. The room rates are ridiculously low; you pay when you arrive.
Ands yes, we still call it the Brown County rally even though it's been based two counties away in Lawrence county since (I think) 2009. That should give you some idea of the complete disinterest in organization or even logic here...
The only nod to organization is that I work with the hotel manager to set a date every year, and I maintain a rooming list for the hotel. We pretty much take over the place, but the number of rooms is limited, so someone (I guess that's me...) has to wrangle a list so no one has to spoon or go homeless.
On Thursday, folks generally sort out their own lunch and dinner plans in various ways. Some of us in Indiana have lunch at the Mayberry Cafe in Danville, IN at 1:00 on Thursday, then meander south.
On Friday, we usually have a pizza slaughter, but the amount of salad on hand seems to have grown as we get older.
Saturday's feature is the Indian Feast; the manager Jay Patel and his family are kind enough to prepare home cooking from India for us, and it's spectacular. Definitely not the stuff you find in restaurants. (Even if you think you don't like Indian food... you'll love this.)
Someone (maybe me, maybe not...) will collect ten bucks cash both nights; please have some folding money on hand.
All types of motorcycles are welcome; we're not organized enough to keep anyone out. Riders have arrived in convertibles before due to medical or mechanical necessity. Most years, there's about a half and half mix of actual Suzuki GS models and other bikes. Modern Triumphs are getting to be super popular in this crowd.
We hang out in the parking lot, and that's about it. And that is plenty.
It's a mellow, welcoming, very inclusive sort of vibe, and family friendly as long as you don't mind a little garage language here and there. Women and children appear and are welcomed and included. Some folks enjoy a few beers in the evening, but generally no one gets drunk, because then they'd end up hungover and miss some prime riding. We take good care of each other. Folks who ride old motorcycles tend to be self-starters anyway, so no one has ever had to be asked to clean up or help raise the canopy we use for shade. And filthy talk of politics, religion, and work has no place here.
As someone once put it, we're about as intimidating as a high school marching band. I'd say we're quite a bit less intimidating, in fact. As someone else once said (we're not organized enough to remember who), "No one's invited. Everyone is welcome." (But please get in touch first if you want a bunk at the Rosemount.)
As to the riding... it's the exact opposite of an organized parade with road captains, hand signals, and all that nonsense. It's people going out riding, sometimes with a few pals, and that's it. I'll hand out maps (they're kinda old, but the roads haven't really changed) and share GPX tracks if you're interested. Riders scatter all over the place, alone or in small groups (no more than five or six is STRONGLY recommended), as the spirit moves them. There are lots of cool and even unexpected things to see. It's also really fun to randomly encounter other roaming riders throughout the day. Wave, chat, hop between groups, whatever.
As to the riding culture... This is and always has been very much an ATGATT crowd; if you prefer to ride bareheaded in a t-shirt and flip flops, that is legally your decision in Indiana, but to be blunt most people won't want to ride with you.
The skill level is very high on average, and riding styles range from sightseeing to quite spirited. Some folks stop a lot and take pictures and meander a lot and might do a hundred miles or so in a day, some do 250 to 300 miles of twisties. Rain in June in Indiana is common, but it's also rarely an all day thing, and quite often we dodge storm cells, and most of us ride in the rain anyway. (In other words, the rally and riding happen no matter what the forecast is, and if you let a little moisture scare you away, you'll miss a lot of great riding.)
Most people still ride in, but there are quite a few trailers as well, and no one really cares one way or the other.
If you check the threads from past Brown County rallies, you'll see some pictures and maybe can pick up a little of the shambolic, gloriously anti-organized vibe.
I hope you make it it, neighbor...Amy and I will be there...
I'm getting excited about the rally next week!
My brother Jim from Colorado is getting excited too.
It will be fun having him attend the rally.
I've been telling him about it for the last 15 years!
He's fairly interesting, he's one of them engineering guys. (Yeah I know)
I figured he Dale and Dave will get along good.
Anyway, looking forward to a great time!
Oh, I might change my route to the rally. A Buc-ee's just opened a little north of Dayton! Love that beef jerky and pulled pork sandwiches!
My brother Jim from Colorado is getting excited too.
It will be fun having him attend the rally.
I've been telling him about it for the last 15 years!
He's fairly interesting, he's one of them engineering guys. (Yeah I know)
I figured he Dale and Dave will get along good.
Anyway, looking forward to a great time!
Oh, I might change my route to the rally. A Buc-ee's just opened a little north of Dayton! Love that beef jerky and pulled pork sandwiches!
Greetings, Riders!
The long-range forecast is looking NICE!
Here's some info about construction road closures in the area as you're making your route plans. There don't appear to be any flood closures this year, which is nice.
INDOT's construction map is very helpful here:
511in.org
Overall, the "official" detours are rarely the best option, and are usually incredibly inefficient. Following locals (if any) is a good tactic, and most of the time you can noodle your way around on local roads. Sometimes they're even paved...
From north to south:
IN-45 is closed between Trevlac and Helmsburg. This one is a little difficult to work around on pavement, but you can manage it to the north by using Lick Creek Road north in Helmsburg and Carmel Ridge Road in Trevlac, connecting them with Short Chute Road. They're entertaining countryside rides, anyway. Bear Wallow road near Trevlac turns to gravel, so use Carmel Ridge.
IN-43 is closed just north of Solsberry. There's a fairly obvious county road workaround to the east. There's a segment that's pretty damaged, but it's not actually gravel. Just paved-ish.
IN-135 and IN-58 are, astonishingly, open for what may be the first time in recorded rally history.
IN-145 South of Birdseye is, as usual, closed. I have no idea why this road closes every stinkin' year... Depending on exactly where the closure is (there are three different culvert replacements in progress) your best odds of a paved workaround are to the west, on Conservation Club Road, and Mentor Road. However, you may need to go further west of Birdseye to S600E and through Ferdinand (which is also a really nice ride). Many roads to the east are gravel.
Also, the Indiana highways to the south, IN-337, 66, 62, etc. appear to be open. Again, this may be a rally first...
The long-range forecast is looking NICE!
Here's some info about construction road closures in the area as you're making your route plans. There don't appear to be any flood closures this year, which is nice.
INDOT's construction map is very helpful here:
INDOT Trafficwise Map
Reports regarding traffic incidents, winter road conditions, traffic cameras, active and planned construction, etc.
511in.org
Overall, the "official" detours are rarely the best option, and are usually incredibly inefficient. Following locals (if any) is a good tactic, and most of the time you can noodle your way around on local roads. Sometimes they're even paved...
From north to south:
IN-45 is closed between Trevlac and Helmsburg. This one is a little difficult to work around on pavement, but you can manage it to the north by using Lick Creek Road north in Helmsburg and Carmel Ridge Road in Trevlac, connecting them with Short Chute Road. They're entertaining countryside rides, anyway. Bear Wallow road near Trevlac turns to gravel, so use Carmel Ridge.
IN-43 is closed just north of Solsberry. There's a fairly obvious county road workaround to the east. There's a segment that's pretty damaged, but it's not actually gravel. Just paved-ish.
IN-135 and IN-58 are, astonishingly, open for what may be the first time in recorded rally history.
IN-145 South of Birdseye is, as usual, closed. I have no idea why this road closes every stinkin' year... Depending on exactly where the closure is (there are three different culvert replacements in progress) your best odds of a paved workaround are to the west, on Conservation Club Road, and Mentor Road. However, you may need to go further west of Birdseye to S600E and through Ferdinand (which is also a really nice ride). Many roads to the east are gravel.
Also, the Indiana highways to the south, IN-337, 66, 62, etc. appear to be open. Again, this may be a rally first...
Copy/paste from last year -- many details in these tracks are WRONG in some weird ways, but I don't have time or energy to create corrected versions just now. So beware. Keep yer wits about you. Ask me if you have questions.
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The following GPX tracks follow roads that are flawed, freaky, filthy, and have all sorts of weird stuff going on. And sometimes the tracks ended up in places they shouldn't have, like unpaved roads. So stay alert, stay flexible, and stay upright.
But anyway, here they are if this sort of thing is the sort of thing that's your sort of thing:
As ever, these routes are only a faint echo of the reality on the ground, and are the product of a deeply imperfect memory coupled with a terribly flawed computer translation of what may or may not be actual roads that may or may not be passable on two wheels shod with street tires.
Plus, in several spots I couldn't figure out how to alter an incorrect route I already created using Alltrails, so I just drew some alternates.
I cannot offer any assurances that these routes exist, or are paved, or are safe. There could be anything from dead animals to tractors, Orcs, dragons, weird cults, wormholes or even (horrors!) minivans out there. Yes, there WILL be gravel in every corner. There WILL be unexpected construction projects.
Take these routes as only the vaguest hand wave of a suggestion. Pay attention, stay sharp, CARRY A PAPER MAP, and you may eventually figure out how to get back to Bedford.
Still, this is Indiana, so there are no mountains to get trapped behind. Or bears. I did see a camel once.
Except for the "short" route, these make for a VERY long, exhausting day of intense twisties; there are lots of opportunities for shortcutting loops as needed, so please take advantage of these. Shoot for 200-250 miles.
Bedford 1 - 280 miles
https://www.alltrails.com/explore/ma...rd-1-280mi?u=i
Starting at the Rosemount Motel in Bedford. Nice paved twisty road track. 280 miles. Includes detour around 2021 construction on 145 south of Birdseye. This is no longer needed, so stay on 145; it's much more fun. This one mostly goes south of Bedford.
Bedford 2 - 305 miles
https://www.alltrails.com/explore/ma...-305-miles?u=i
Nice scenic twisty road track starting at the Rosemount Motel in Bedford, Indiana. Paved. 305 miles is a lot, so choose where to cut off a loop by continuing on a main road as needed. Wesley Chapel Gulf, Orangeville Rise, Story, Tulip Trestle, etc. Includes small detour around construction on 135 for 2021 that isn't needed. This one mostly goes north of Bedford.
BC North Short - 115 miles
https://www.alltrails.com/explore/ma...orth-short?u=i
About 115 miles, originating from Bedford, IN. Nice shorter route, mostly north of Bedford.
BC Rally Southern Classic - 289 miles
https://www.alltrails.com/explore/ma...th-classic?u=i
Starting from Bedford, IN, the classic southern route. Incredibly scenic and twisty. Closely related to Bedford 1.
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One more thing... if you like paper maps and have access to a color laser printer, this is an old one that still mostly works that you could print, or print in sections. This covers much of the "northern" stuff.
This is a large image file, 1.4 MB:
https://www.bwringer.com/gs/images/bc_map_old_hq_rev2026.jpg
This is the southern part of the state. No routes marked, just a map. Again, this is a pretty large image, 3.4MB:
https://www.bwringer.com/gs/images/southern_in.jpg
As with any paper map, these sort of fudge a lot of details. And they are pretty old, so some things are a little different now.
-=-=-=-=-
The following GPX tracks follow roads that are flawed, freaky, filthy, and have all sorts of weird stuff going on. And sometimes the tracks ended up in places they shouldn't have, like unpaved roads. So stay alert, stay flexible, and stay upright.
But anyway, here they are if this sort of thing is the sort of thing that's your sort of thing:
As ever, these routes are only a faint echo of the reality on the ground, and are the product of a deeply imperfect memory coupled with a terribly flawed computer translation of what may or may not be actual roads that may or may not be passable on two wheels shod with street tires.
Plus, in several spots I couldn't figure out how to alter an incorrect route I already created using Alltrails, so I just drew some alternates.
I cannot offer any assurances that these routes exist, or are paved, or are safe. There could be anything from dead animals to tractors, Orcs, dragons, weird cults, wormholes or even (horrors!) minivans out there. Yes, there WILL be gravel in every corner. There WILL be unexpected construction projects.
Take these routes as only the vaguest hand wave of a suggestion. Pay attention, stay sharp, CARRY A PAPER MAP, and you may eventually figure out how to get back to Bedford.
Still, this is Indiana, so there are no mountains to get trapped behind. Or bears. I did see a camel once.
Except for the "short" route, these make for a VERY long, exhausting day of intense twisties; there are lots of opportunities for shortcutting loops as needed, so please take advantage of these. Shoot for 200-250 miles.
Bedford 1 - 280 miles
https://www.alltrails.com/explore/ma...rd-1-280mi?u=i
Starting at the Rosemount Motel in Bedford. Nice paved twisty road track. 280 miles. Includes detour around 2021 construction on 145 south of Birdseye. This is no longer needed, so stay on 145; it's much more fun. This one mostly goes south of Bedford.
Bedford 2 - 305 miles
https://www.alltrails.com/explore/ma...-305-miles?u=i
Nice scenic twisty road track starting at the Rosemount Motel in Bedford, Indiana. Paved. 305 miles is a lot, so choose where to cut off a loop by continuing on a main road as needed. Wesley Chapel Gulf, Orangeville Rise, Story, Tulip Trestle, etc. Includes small detour around construction on 135 for 2021 that isn't needed. This one mostly goes north of Bedford.
BC North Short - 115 miles
https://www.alltrails.com/explore/ma...orth-short?u=i
About 115 miles, originating from Bedford, IN. Nice shorter route, mostly north of Bedford.
BC Rally Southern Classic - 289 miles
https://www.alltrails.com/explore/ma...th-classic?u=i
Starting from Bedford, IN, the classic southern route. Incredibly scenic and twisty. Closely related to Bedford 1.
-=-=-=-=-=-
One more thing... if you like paper maps and have access to a color laser printer, this is an old one that still mostly works that you could print, or print in sections. This covers much of the "northern" stuff.
This is a large image file, 1.4 MB:
https://www.bwringer.com/gs/images/bc_map_old_hq_rev2026.jpg
This is the southern part of the state. No routes marked, just a map. Again, this is a pretty large image, 3.4MB:
https://www.bwringer.com/gs/images/southern_in.jpg
As with any paper map, these sort of fudge a lot of details. And they are pretty old, so some things are a little different now.
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OK, last rally-related post for the day:
As is something resembling tradition, or more likely just plain inertia, some number of us will just happen to show up at the Mayberry Cafe in Danville, IN at 1:00 EDT on Thursday, June 11, 2026 for lunch, afterwards proceeding southward and twistyward by various routes.
78 W Main St, Danville, IN 46122
No one's invited, everyone's welcome, yada yada. Show up and grab a cheeseburger if the spirit moves you.
If you're coming from somewhere on Central Time, bear in mind we're on Eastern time.
As is something resembling tradition, or more likely just plain inertia, some number of us will just happen to show up at the Mayberry Cafe in Danville, IN at 1:00 EDT on Thursday, June 11, 2026 for lunch, afterwards proceeding southward and twistyward by various routes.
78 W Main St, Danville, IN 46122
No one's invited, everyone's welcome, yada yada. Show up and grab a cheeseburger if the spirit moves you.
If you're coming from somewhere on Central Time, bear in mind we're on Eastern time.