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Big maintenance: oil, spline gear, grease, tires

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BassCliff

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Hello friends and neighbors,

I got a new set of tires today. Yes, I put almost 2000 miles on my plugged rear tire. It had about 9000 miles on it and I know it could have gone another 3000-4000 miles before needing replacement. Maybe this rear tire will wear out instead of getting punctured. I've had my last two rear tires forced into early retirement because of a nail and a screw. My front tire had over 16,000 miles on it and still had tread that could have lasted 1000-2000 more. I'm really liking these Bridgestone S-11 Spitfire tires. They're not expensive and wear quite well while giving me all the performance this moderate canyon-carver/commuter needs.

I stopped by a local dealer and picked up some Moly 60 paste. I had been using a heavy-duty marine gear grease. It's been doing OK, but I wanted to get "the right stuff". I used brake cleaner and shop rags to clean out all the old grease on the spine gears. You're not supposed to mix the greases.

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As you can tell, there is virtually no wear on the spline gear. My 1980 GS850G has the harder, darker metal spline gear. It seems the later years used a softer metal, as Mr. bigsmellyfred recently found out. But the new OEM parts should be the harder metal.

Here's a couple of closer shots of my spline gear.

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I use a little of the old grease to help the axle and other parts go back together easier.

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As you can tell, there is virtually no wear on the spline gear. Lucky me. I used a flat blade screwdriver to scoop out the Moly 60 paste from the container (that tube is only about half full) and coat the gear. I also put a film of Moly 60 on the drive gear, just in case I missed any spots on the driven gear. Here's a shot after I got it all cleaned up, before applying the Moly 60.

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I got up at 8:00am this morning (unheard of for me on a Saturday!) and by 10:00am I was in CycleRider (local bike shop) with my wheels to let them mount and balance (for free) the tires I had purchased there. I pay about $10 more per tire than online prices, but I don't have to pay shipping and don't have to mount and balance them myself.

Thursday evening after work I also changed the engine oil and filter, secondary gear oil, final drive unit oil, and air filter. I've started using a new oil, Castrol GTX Diesel 15w40. I get a gallon jug for $14 at my local Pep Boys. The oil formulated for diesel motors is supposed to contain more of "the right stuff" too. I've been using synthetic 75w90 gear oil, either Castrol or Mobil1, in the secondary gear box and the final drive unit. I guess it was about time (8128 miles - factory recommends 7500 miles) to change the gear oils because I had been noticing a bit more noise and things didn't seem as smooth. I attributed it to lousy shifting techniques. But after changing the gear oils, it was noticeably smoother and quieter. But I'm still going to work on my shifting technique. ;-)

After I got it all back together today I spent some time cleaning up the shiny parts to make my "Jessie" look more presentable. Maybe I'll have some time tomorrow after church to scrub the "new" off of my tires. Everybody ride safely, and keep your machines in good working order.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Mr. BassCliff, must be nice to get tires so cheap locally. My tires came from CA, just took $100 and 4 weeks to get here. :eek: Much cheaper than buying them here though, even with the shipping and customs.

I spent all of last night changing 4 tires. 2 for my GS, 2 for my dad's FJ. Had to use some quickstart to set the bead on the FJ front. :D That was fun! WHOOSH!!! SNAP-PING! For some reason the front was really tight and didn't want to seal enough to hold any air. I'd have everything back together, but the swingarm is gonna get polished over the next while. Something you shafty guys can't do. :p

Good to hear you'll be riding safe again. Just stay away from construction sites and hardware stores.
 
Thanks Mr. rudy,

Yep, I got to the bike shop at 10:00am. I was home before 11:00am with two fresh Spitfires, mounted and balanced, for only $150. It's worth it to me. I rather be doing other things than wrestling with tires all day.

I could take my swingarm out and polish it if I wanted to. Hmmm. I wonder if I could have it chromed? That might be cool. :D


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Thanks Mr. rudy,

Yep, I got to the bike shop at 10:00am. I was home before 11:00am with two fresh Spitfires, mounted and balanced, for only $150. It's worth it to me. I rather be doing other things than wrestling with tires all day.

I could take my swingarm out and polish it if I wanted to. Hmmm. I wonder if I could have it chromed? That might be cool. :D


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

You got S11's eh? I was quoted $230 mounted and balanced for two. Ofcourse I'm in Canada so that's actually a good price.

So you like them eh? I looked online and it seems like they're more of a touring tire than a sport tire, but I'm putting them on my first bike so it's not like I'll be dragging my knees anytime soon. :)
 
Hi Mr. MrZig,

The Spitfires will not give you the performance of the Avon Roadriders, Pirelli Sport Demons, or similar. They won't last as long as the Dunlop Elite III tire, but Dunlop doesn't make a 17" rear tire for me anyway. I have found that Spitfires wear a long time and stand up to my commuting and canyon carving duties just fine. I can scrape things (boots and center stand) going around corners without fear. Everybody has their favorite tires. These have been a good balance of cost/wear/performance.


Thank you for your induglence,

BassCliff
 
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I just replaced both front and rear on mine also with the spitfires. I'm impressed with these tires. also removed the swingarm replaced the driveshaft boot. greased swing arm bearing replaced all wheel bearings. replaced shift shaft seal, and replaced clutch springs. The old 850 seems like a new bike now.
 
I'm still waiting for someone to have their shaftie's swingarm powder coated. There are some new powder coats that look a LOT like bare aluminum. Or get some wild orange or snot green just for something different.

Even just touching up the gloss black paint if you have it out or exposed for some other reason sure makes it look a lot nicer.


Nice photos, Cliff! And we're all glad you didn't die from plugging your tire.
 
Nice photos, Cliff! And we're all glad you didn't die from plugging your tire.

Thanks Brian. :D

I should have snapped a couple of pictures after I applied the Moly 60. I'm sure I put a little too much on. But too much is better than not enough. And you're right, that tube of grease will last the life of the bike, I'm sure.

Lately, with all this talk of busted spline gears, I was getting a little worried. I feel much better now. :)

I'll think about that swingarm thing. Maybe I'll start a new fad? ;)


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
I used some Premium U joint high moly grease by Polaris on my splines last tire change. I to have the S11's great tire !
 
I'm still waiting for someone to have their shaftie's swingarm powder coated. There are some new powder coats that look a LOT like bare aluminum. Or get some wild orange or snot green just for something different.

Even just touching up the gloss black paint if you have it out or exposed for some other reason sure makes it look a lot ni

My Kat 650 with silver powder coated swing arm, maybe not bare aluminium but pretty good finish :-


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There ya go Mr. waltfen! That looks pretty dang sharp! :clap:

Thanks for being a trendsetter. ;)


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
I appreciate the posting, Cliff, for several reasons.

First of all, after repeatedly singing the praises of the Elite 3's on my GS here and elsewhere, I have been contemplating ordering a set of the S-11's for my CBX - primarily because, although many tires are available in the 100-19 that this and many other bikes use on the front, the S-11's are one of very few tires still available in the 130/90-18 size that is correct for my '82 CBX. So I am glad to see that you and others have been pleased with these tires.

Several tires are available in 130/80-18, but some years ago when I had another '82 CBX, I mounted a set of Contis on it with the rear tire this size, and I encountered situations where, due to the lower profile of this rear tire, the bike stood too upright when parked on its sidestand so that a gust of wind might easily knock it over. This slightly lower profile slightly reduced cornering clearance, too.

I have been getting fantastic service ordering from Chaparral-racing. I have recounted here before about when I put those E3's on my GS, although I'm on the east coast and they are in California, they shipped the tires out of a warehouse in PA and I got them delivered to my door the very next day. And since I do not live in California, they do not charge any sales tax or tire recycling fees, nor do they charge for shipping on orders of at least $100!

There have been other times when they exceeded my expectations in the service they provided too, so I'll stay with them.

In case you're wondering, I can mount and balance my own tires and take the old ones to the local 'transfer station' (dump) for free.

Chaparral (http://www.chaparral-racing.com/) sells the S-11's for my CBX for $126.70 for both tires - I've paid that much just for a rear tire on more than one occasion!

BTW, those splines of yours look great, but so did the ones on my GS the last time I looked at them.

Oh, and I see that Chaparral also is having a closeout deal for those of you lucky enough to have a GS 1150 - K&N air filters for the stock airbox for around $27.
 
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Hi Mr. highmileage,

I haven't been out to Chaparral yet but some of my friends have. It's in San Bernardino about 40 minutes from my house. I'm going to have to check it out. But I'm afraid of the "kid in a candy store" syndrome. :eek:


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Viper has his swinger on his 1100G chromed. I dont have a pic but maybe someone does. Looks pretty sweet.
 
Good to hear other people are happy with the S-11's. I've got a set I'm anxiously watching on the UPS tracking site. I don't have any desire to mount & balance a set of tires so I tried to buy local. The local shops have 2 prices for mounting/balancing, higher if you buy tires elsewhere. Even paying the premium buying the S-11's online will still be cheaper than buying a set of Kendas locally.
 
I wanted to add a link to this thread that I found today for different spline greases.

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Shaft.html

  • Honda Moly 60 paste, $9 for 3oz, pn 08734-0001 at your Honda dealer, or $8 from Kim Leong, STOC 3073, California Sport Touring.
  • LocTite Moly paste, 65% molybdenum disulfide. $20 for an 8oz tube from Enco, part #505-1197, 800-873-3626
  • TS-70 Moly Paste, 4 oz. ctg. $14 from TSMoly. (800) 508-5545

For those of you who simply have money to burn and must use over kill...This maybe worth researching to see if this is true...

"Nascar mechanics have found that Krytox grease can reduce the temperature of spline joints on drive shafts by 150?. Also, this stuff lasts forever. It is, unfortunately, quite expensive. "

Krytox greases:
  • DuPont XHT-AC extra high temperature anti-corrosive Krytox. $30 for a 2oz tube, pn 10195K25; $113 for an 8oz tube, from McMaster Carr.
  • DuPont XHT-BDX extra high temperature extra bonding Krytox. $63 for a 2oz tube pn 10195K22; $230 for an 8oz tube pn10195K24 from McMaster Carr.
  • LocTite Krytox HyperLube, pn 29711. about $35 for two ounces.



Hope this helps.

Shafty.
 
Hi Mr. 82Shafty,

Wow! :eek:

For that price, that Krytox grease had better cure acne and improve your sex life too! :D

Thanks for sharing.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Hi Mr. 82Shafty,

Wow! :eek:

For that price, that Krytox grease had better cure acne and improve your sex life too! :D

Thanks for sharing.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

It all works only if you apply it correctly....I use my kid's old toothbrushes to evenly apply the Moly60 on the spline TEETH. Dip it in the tube, brush it on evenly, no blobs or waste , no mess on the hands, every tooth surface gets covered, and throw the brush out after!...and no cavities:D
It sometimes pays to have 6 kids....a never ending supply of old toothbrushes for the garage work!;)
 
Hi Mr. highmileage,

I haven't been out to Chaparral yet but some of my friends have. It's in San Bernardino about 40 minutes from my house. I'm going to have to check it out. But I'm afraid of the "kid in a candy store" syndrome. :eek:


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

I've been there... it's not cheap & they don't have a lot of everything but they do have something of absolutely everything if that makes sense. There's a lot of off road stuff there. :)

There's a warehouse in Long Beach that offers some pretty good deals.. I'll have to dig out the link, you can pick up from it too.
 
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