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Countershaft sprocket nut keeps loosening

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I think FSM has an error or is referencing the reak sprocket nuts?
The char for a 10 mm diameter 7 stamped bolt maxes at 29-43.5 lb/ft
the shaft is a whole lot bigger than that

Wouldn't be the only time a Suzuki manual had bad torque values. Both the SVs and VStroms have examples.


Exactly what I was thinking. These are hardened steel on steel threads. 43.5 foot-pounds makes not the slightest sense at all.

Not sure of the thread size on this application, but the usual specs for, say, 16mm threads (that's on the low end; countershaft threads are almost definitely bigger) are usually between 180 and 247 foot-pounds depending on fastener grade you're assuming.
https://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/bolts/Metric-Recommended-Torque.aspx (No idea why this chart is in NM.)


Maximums can be even higher, depending on grade, desired bolt stretch, etc.:
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metric-bolts-maximum-torque-d_2054.html

NM to foot-pound converter:
https://www.theunitconverter.com/newton-meter-to-foot-pound-conversion/


In any case, it's quite clear that 43 foot-pounds isn't even near the ballpark.


And yes, I'm sorry to say that the revered FSMs for vintage and modern Suzukis are chock full of egregious errors like this and should never be followed blindly; the many errors in FSM torque specs especially have caused no end of angst and misery... always engage brain before arm.



If the issue continues after proper torquing, the PO would do well to remove the sprocket if possible and examine the splines for excessive wear that might be allowing the sprocket to "work" back and forth.
 
'round about 35-50 ft/lbs is common for this nut across several manuals for several brands of bikes I have.

Something else is happening.
There's teeth on the shaft/sprocket interface so what could work to loosen a nut excepting not having the sprocket on all the way and tightening it?

Perhaps it's turned round the wrong way before sliding onto the shaft if there's a difference.
 
Well, I?m back ha. It loosened up again. I tried 65 pound feet of torque this time. Same thing here are some pics of my output shaft. Are the splines excessively worn?

 
I know, everyone loves Clymer manuals, but I had one in the garage for the Suzuki GS 750's, & dug it out. It says Drive sprocket nut, 1979 & earlier, 29.0 to 43.4 ft. lb. TSCC models 65.0 to72.5 ft. lb. Don't seem right, but that's what it says. Also says there is a recess on one side of the nut, the recess goes to the inside, against the sprocket.
 
I know, everyone loves Clymer manuals, but I had one in the garage for the Suzuki GS 750's, & dug it out. It says Drive sprocket nut, 1979 & earlier, 29.0 to 43.4 ft. lb. TSCC models 65.0 to72.5 ft. lb. Don't seem right, but that's what it says. Also says there is a recess on one side of the nut, the recess goes to the inside, against the sprocket.

if anything it took less time to loosen up at the higher torque. I have the recessed portion of the but facing in. The threads aren’t boogered up either. This is a real head scratcher.
 
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gosh they dont look worn. does the sprocket when loose fitted show any great lash? too lazy to reread did you use a new nut and washer
my splines look worse and the sprockey has not loosened since last sprocket change
 
gosh they dont look worn. does the sprocket when loose fitted show any great lash? too lazy to reread did you use a new nut and washer
my splines look worse and the sprockey has not loosened since last sprocket change

It seems to be seated on the splines adequately. The sprocket nut looks to be original to this bike. Should I try replacing the sprocket nut as well?
 
the nut is just plain on your bike? mine has a metal insert that seems to be there to resist turning
oddly threads and shaft tip look the same. i wonder if you could get the later type nut in correct size
theres no way suzuki made the mod out of altruism or artistic intent
 
the nut is just plain on your bike? mine has a metal insert that seems to be there to resist turning
oddly threads and shaft tip look the same. i wonder if you could get the later type nut in correct size
theres no way suzuki made the mod out of altruism or artistic intent

It’s nothing noteworthy. The threaded portion looks to be about 6mm of thread and the other portion is recessed to clamp onto the sprocket. it doesn’t look like it changed. I just ordered a new replacement as well as a new washer to see if that’ll help things. I doubt it but it’s worth a shot.
 
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