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Headers won't slide into ports

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Okay, what is the trick? I finally got around to putting the black chrome exhaust I picked up from Joe onto my 1100E. Everything was fine until I tried to slide the pipes into the exhaust ports. they go part of the way in and stop. I have tried wiggling and pounding them in with the heel of my hand but nothing moves that last half inch. I obviously don't want to pound with any tool that could dent the pipe. It seems like the most resistance is coming from 2 and 3, the two inside pipes with the little flange thingies you have to put on them. The flange pieces clear the hole; they are not catching, but they don't go in much farther.

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I get the feeling there is some simple technique here of which I am totally ignorant.
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I don't recall, but I would guess you just snug them now with the bolts. It should take very little. If it binds pull it back out and recheck. Torque symmetrically of course.
 
A good dead blow hammer and pressure on all the flanges, drawing them down evenly, should get them started. The hammer I have is all vinyl and full of lead shot I guess. It won't dent or scratch the pipes but is a very handy tool.
 
The shims on the inside header belong on the outside of the flange
 
hjfisk said:
The shims on the inside header belong on the outside of the flange
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Right, those shiny new shims go behind the ridge ring on the end of the pipes, between the ridge and the flange ring. You got them in the wrong place.
They're used to push the pipe into the block.
I have learn again this every few years with my 1990 GSX759F.

Don, I'm disappointed in this failure of logical thinking on your part.
 
hjfisk said:
The shims on the inside header belong on the outside of the flange
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Buffalo Bill said:
Right, those shiny new shims go behind the ridge ring on the end of the pipes, between the ridge and the flange ring. You got them in the wrong place.
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It may not be apparent from the picture, but those 'shims' are correctly placed. Haynes has a very good picture showing them on the pipe and there is really only one place they can fit. I used PVC tape to hold them together until I got them enough onto the port that they would stay on. I peeled the tape off because I thought it might be the cause of the binding but obviously not. They are called 'collet halves'. Personally I think 'flange thingies' is a much more descriptive term. :lol:

I guess I will just pull the pipes back out, lube the port surface with some anti seize, find me a large delicate hammer, and :pray:.
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Don, before you get "physical" with them, please humor us. :-k
Take the collet halves off, then slip the pipes into place, to see if they happen to fit better.

If they do, put the collet halves back on the pipes (without removing the pipes from the head), then slip the collars over them and bolt them down.

It's not real easy to use this picture as an assembly guide, but I think it's easy enough to see that Haynes got it wrong.
The collets do not go between the pipes and the head, they go on the outside of the pipes, with the flange away from the engine.
When the collar fits over the flange, it holds the pipe to the head, much like the split keepers on the tops of the valves.

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Of course, this assumes that you only have ONE gasket in each port. :oops: :-\\\

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Haynes done it again? Why when there are manuals and parts finches available for free download?
 
dpep said:
It may not be apparent from the picture, but those 'shims' are correctly placed. Haynes has a very good picture showing them on the pipe and there is really only one place they can fit. I used PVC tape to hold them together until I got them enough onto the port that they would stay on. I peeled the tape off because I thought it might be the cause of the binding but obviously not. They are called 'collet halves'. Personally I think 'flange thingies' is a much more descriptive term. :lol:

I guess I will just pull the pipes back out, lube the port surface with some anti seize, find me a large delicate hammer, and :pray:.
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Just a suggestion here, you might try fitting the downpipes by themselves separately that might help see where the hang up is, I think I know what you mean by the collets fitting only one way in that they sit in a wide groove then the clamp pulls down on them, that is not what it seems in the diagram.
Looking at your picture the inside curve of the pipe looks like its contacting the frame cross brace.
 
Just to confirm what you guys are saying using the picture below.

The pipe on the left has the shims fitting in the groove between the two flanges that exist on the inside pipes as Haynes shows it and as what would seem logical as the shims are the exact width of that groove and there is no groove on the outside pipes which have only one flange.

The pipe in the middle has the shim being secured by a rubber band in the correct location.

The pipe on the right is one of the two outside pipes which have no front flange. If the middle pipe shim placement is correct the the logical question becomes why do the two middle pipes even have a front flange?

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I'm wondering why the L & R pipes don't have a flange on the end. That gives a wider contact with the exhaust gasket ring.
On the GSXR and GSXF there's only the flange on the pipe end, and the example on the left is how it's done on those. Sometimes I tried to do it the way you have in the middle and it leaked, noisy too, but my GSX doesn't have that second outer flange.

Do you have exhaust gasket rings tucked into the cylinder head? Because I'm sure it needs them.
 
- you need copper washers in the exhaust port to seal

- put the #2 and #3 pipes in first

the #2 and #3 need the collets put in place before the clamp, but after the pipe is in place, (that is why they are split).

The one you have pictured and say it is in the correct position..... the collet is backwards

-#1 and #4 don't use collets, but they need sealing washers.
 
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I just put the stock exhaust on my GS 1000 today and it went together like derwood says. Your pic of the one on the left (#3) is what mine looked like as it was being installed. Agreed, the #2 cylinder collet looks backwards.
 
#3 looks right to me. but that's what you had in the first picture, i think. there wasn't an old gasket ring still in there was there? darn, i feel like i'm adding to the confusion....
 
That was my first thought, that you didn't notice the old gasket ring in there and put another one on top of it. You had the shims correct from the beginning. Like you said there's really only one way they will work, and it aint rocket science.
 
azr said:
That was my first thought, that you didn't notice the old gasket ring in there and put another one on top of it. You had the shims correct from the beginning. Like you said there's really only one way they will work, and it aint rocket science.
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I think we should take a pole?
 
I think the pipe center left is correct. but there is a crush gasket in place but no gasket on the far right pipe which is the only other one you can see. all four need those crush gaskets. as azr said it really isn't rocket science.
 
The collars are on correctly.
The dead blow and a 2x4 on the bottom/center will work.
It does work better with two people.
I grease the collars if I do it alone.
 
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