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K&N Pods vs. Vance & Hines

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Are the V&H pods simply re-branded K&N, or different/better/worse?
 
wkmpt said:
Are the V&H pods simply re-branded K&N, or different/better/worse?
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I'm guessing they're the same. Or very close knockoffs. I just picked up a set of the APE KN knockoffs and they're every bit the same. And $100 cheaper. ;)
 
TheCafeKid said:
I'm guessing they're the same. Or very close knockoffs. I just picked up a set of the APE KN knockoffs and they're every bit the same. And $100 cheaper. ;)
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Hey Josh
Take a look in those APE filters. Do you see any filters? They are for racing and not filtering.
:rolleyes:
 
They do look similar in the website pics, but if they (APE) do not have an oiled element, they aren't the same.
Tony.
 
K&N's can be cleaned and oiled.
all the others can not.
these are not the same filters....
re-branded or other wise.
 
hahaha
also,
the K&N knock off's...APE ect..
take a look and you will see.
the look a likes have a wide automotive clamp and are not molded for the clamp to ride.
the K&N's have a narrow clamp and ride in a molded area.
**DO NOT OIL THE KNOCK OFFS**
 
ehh I oiled and washed the look alikes. No problems. They are made out of the exact same material, minus the "moulded rubber clamp area" Both use a heavy gauze material inside the screens which is what you oil. Im not arguing with you, im just saying that I have both KN and APE in my hand and there is no visible difference in the materials they used..
 
blowerbike said:
ummm,
not to be oiled or washed as per the manufacture:eek:
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Hrmm, doesnt say that anywhere on the package they send em in. Then again, doesnt say they should be either. I looked at the filters very closely, they appear in every way to be made out of the same material, including the simple gauze (thats pretty much all the KN pods use inside of them to make them 'washable" its gauze, surrounded by a screen) The EMGO pieces of junk have NOTHING in them. Tell ya what, here in a couple thousand miles, I will let y'all know whether or not you should oil or wash them. If they fall apart afterwards, my bad..
 
ok grasshoppa:twistedevil:
ride your bike with and without your filters and see if you can tell a seat of the pants difference.
i never oil K&N's but thats me.
you might feel a little more ooooomph with your filters off.
DO IT!! :twistedevil:
 
blowerbike said:
ok grasshoppa:twistedevil:
ride your bike with and without your filters and see if you can tell a seat of the pants difference.
i never oil K&N's but thats me.
you might feel a little more ooooomph with your filters off.
DO IT!! :twistedevil:
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What you think i hosed them down with a gallon of oil? You just barely oil them my friend.. Keeps them from being destroyed..that gauze, left untreated will rot. Then you got nothing :( and BTW I ran the bike with no filters, and with filters...Difference? Probably, but im not trying to shave .00002 seconds off my trap time Terry my friend. Im trying to keep my bike clean AND fast ;)
 
TheCafeKid said:
What you think i hosed them down with a gallon of oil? You just barely oil them my friend.. Keeps them from being destroyed..that gauze, left untreated will rot. Then you got nothing :( and BTW I ran the bike with no filters, and with filters...Difference? Probably, but im not trying to shave .00002 seconds off my trap time Terry my friend. Im trying to keep my bike clean AND fast ;)
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your no fun:(
FYI.
ive had non oiled K&N's a dozen years old...rot isn't a problem at least with the K&N surgical/NASA/NASCAR/medical super high quality K&N gauze:twistedevil:
LOL:p
 
Ya dont oil em to add life ya oil em to help trap dirt.

I've never oiled mine either, lol..
 
Octain said:
Ya dont oil em to add life ya oil em to help trap dirt.

I've never oiled mine either, lol..
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Me thinks you gents need to re read your super top secret high profile ultra sensitive extra special K$N filter charger recharge kit instructions again fellas. The cleaner cleans the oil while it may prevent tiny bits of dust from entering keeps the gauze in good shape. The gauze keeps dirt out. What's cause made out of? Cotton. What does cotton do left in the elements unprotected? It rots. Don't believe me? Take one of your undershirts and bury it in the yard for a few weeks. See what it looks like when you dig it up. The KN directions plainly state that they are guaranteed for life provided they are properly cleaned AND oiled as per manufacturers directions. Why do you think that is?

Now I'm not going to continue to argue whether or not the APE brand should or shouldn't be oiled. I'm not a forensic fiber speciallist nor a textile manufacturer so I can't definitively say that the gauze material in the APE filters are the same as used in KN filters. But, I can say nowhere on the APE site that I saw, nor on the product packaging did it say NOT to oil them. So, I use my best judgment and common sense and lightly oiled as I would with KN filters. We shall see if I'm wrong. If I am? So be it. I paid $60 for em rather than the $160 for the real KN filter. I could buy three sets and still nearly be on par. The one thing I WILL say I dislike about the APE is the lack of a lip to help retain the clamps. The fit tight on 1150 carbs and if you tighten them too tight they pop right off the carb. Keep tht in mind. Otherwise thus far I'm pretty impressed with the quality of construction. From my perspective other than that they seem every bit as nice as the K&N brand.
 
TheCafeKid said:
Hrmm, doesnt say that anywhere on the package they send em in. Then again, doesnt say they should be either.
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The K&Ns come pre-oiled (pink) from the factory, and the maintenance instructions cover routine cleaning & oiling. If the APE ones came un-oiled from the factory, and no recommendation/instructions re. oiling, it may be intended to run dry....according to K&N the oil helps filtering efficiency. Bottom line....if you have oiled them and they work for you, that's all that counts!;)
Tony.
 
Not saying oiling the filters is bad but my years of dirtbiking requires cleaning and oiling the filter for soul reason of trapping dirt of a free flowing filter.

I cant see where there would be any harm in oiling em except that at some point they'll need cleaned. This is where it gets most of its ware and tare depening on the cleaner or solvent used to clean it with.
 
A simple phone call to APE will answer the question about oiling. Regarding K&N filters in general, they don't filter the air very well which is why they flow so well. No oil on a K&N will further reduce it's ability to trap dirt so only do that at your own discression.
 
Mysuzyq said:
The K&Ns come pre-oiled (pink) from the factory, and the maintenance instructions cover routine cleaning & oiling. If the APE ones came un-oiled from the factory, and no recommendation/instructions re. oiling, it may be intended to run dry....according to K&N the oil helps filtering efficiency. Bottom line....if you have oiled them and they work for you, that's all that counts!;)
Tony.
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Not sure if the instructions are still the same but when I got mine K&N recommended re-oiling between cleanings. Simply brush off the excess dirt and re-oil. They tend to filter even better with a little dirt on them with no loss of flow. I know Chuck Hahn will disagree, but the K&Ns have a short velocity stack molded into the filter opening. There is a slight flare where the clamped portion meets the screen. It's not much of a flare but it's there unless K&N has changed things.
 
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