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Oil Coolers

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If the majority of your riding is in traffic, in Phoenix,

An oil cooler is not going to do it's job if you are stuck in traffic. An oil cooler needs forced airflow to work......


My personall opinion, after driving my GS with and without an oil cooler is they are not necessary, unless you consistantly drive at speed in the southern desert heat. Do they more cool your engine ? definately. My Lockhart cooler dropped my oil temps from 210F, down to about 170F. I always wondered if running my engine at 170F was not good either. I have heard that air cooled motorcycle engines need the oil temps up over 210 to run correctly?
 
I always wondered if running my engine at 170F was not good either. I have heard that air cooled motorcycle engines need the oil temps up over 210 to run correctly?

They run correctly at both temps, but a little above 212F is ideal, so water condensation can be boiled off. The Lockhart cooler must be a larger capacity (more passes) than the 1150 item, if you cannot reach 212F even in warmer weather.....maybe look at adding a thermostat.....I think they were equipped with them on several Lockhart coolers, so you should be able to find one, or mod another to work.
Tony.
 
I concur with the "if you get stuck in traffic, you may want to consider it" crowd. I almost melted the top end of the motor off one day when I was sitting stopped at in traffic at the beach, one hot summer, a long, long time ago. :cool:

-- Frank --

Frank,

I dont know if I have ever seen you make a comment/posting about something related to a GS motorcycle. Good. Glad to see that not all your time taken up by forumn administation details (or dealing with bickering members).

Dave "Redman"
 
I'm a little late to this post, but my 2 (or 3, 4, 5) cents:

* I vote no, oil cooler is not necessary. Stockers (like more recent water-cooled hot rods) would have come with if so, I say. An engine that runs too cool is almost as bad as an engine that runs too hot.

* I vote yes, they look cool (cool bike Sparky!), but GS's can look pretty darn cool w/o too (I think so at least)

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* I second that, things can heat up real quick stuck in traffic when you're air cooled. I treat those situations like I'm holding my breath...if I'm sitting longer than 2 or 3 minutes, I shut the motor off.

* I like the idea of an oil temp gauge though. Gonna think about that one. I'm definitely a fan of actually "seeing" what's going on vs. guessing.

* Best engine temps for power and efficiency are actually in the 220-230degF range (source: various hotrod books read over the years by Vizard (V8s), Yunick (Chevy), Raven (vw), Dempsey (porsche), etc). Problem used to be conventional oil film strength falls apart above about 210F. No longer a problem with new and much better Synthetic / Synth blend oils (fine to over 300F before any breakdown worries). Good synthetic or blend oil = great insurance.

* Leaner = hotter, Richer = cooler. Newer bikes run very lean for emissions which means much stricter control of engine temp is necessary to prevent meltdown; this is one reason why there are so few air-cooled bikes (and cars such as Porsche 911) left. Not as big a worry for our older, jetted for power (ie richer, apx 12::1 air to fuel) bikes.

* And last "cent":
An oil cooler is not going to do it's job if you are stuck in traffic. An oil cooler needs forced airflow to work......

I disagree. An oil cooler, like the fins on our air-cooled bikes, and like the "radiator" on your car, works like (and is): a radiator. This means that it sheds excess heat via radiating that heat away via the fins. So the cooler (like your finned air-cooled bike's cylinders and head) WILL still "work" if stuck in traffic. Just not as well. Depending on oil heat vs cooler size/capacity. Hence why cars have radiator fans to help out and "pull" cool air over the radiator fins, even at idle/while stopped. There is a distinction is all I'm saying....adding an oil cooler adds "fins" and will certainly add radiant cooling capacity regardless of speed.

That said, I still think most of us don't need em, they're cluttery looking, and add potential for leaks. Money and time can be better spent (e.g. Sparky - get a header (if you already have, that much better/easier), some K&N pods on there, rejet your carbs, and feel the ridiculous difference it makes. You can thank me later).

Fun stuff. Cheers to all:D
 
Sharpy - ok, just looked at your pics. Sweet (and I sit humbled).
Now I say: forget the pods, keep the rack:D:-\\\
 
Well I like 'em.

And an inline thermostat should solve any 'running too cold' concerns;

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Stators quo!!

Stators quo!!

:confused: I'm surprised that none of you remembered that the HOT OIL is what destroys the stator's insulation and keeps RICK in business. I just got a nice big Ford(ugh)tranny cooler for my 1100e. I agree that the engines will live through a great deal of heat but not our poor little alternators. When I got my bike it made a noise and upon opening the alt cover I found a new aftermarket stator w loose bolts-the guy had troubles and just wanted to unload what he thought was a troublesome machine. His loss my GEM! Oil doesn't work well until 100F or so but whoever thinks 210 is fine might be thinking of deep frying. Guzzi John:-k
 
.... Also, your stator will probably be happier IMHO, running in the coolest oil possible.....heat here is a killer.
Tony.

They run correctly at both temps, but a little above 212F is ideal, so water condensation can be boiled off.
Tony.


:confused: I'm surprised that none of you remembered that the HOT OIL is what destroys the stator's insulation and keeps RICK in business. Oil doesn't work well until 100F or so but whoever thinks 210 is fine might be thinking of deep frying. Guzzi John:-k

Ahem...:)
Tony.
 
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On hot days here in Southern California (hot valley) mine would run in the 300 zone. Sometimes it would ping and act funny. I stopped riding on hot days until I put in the oil cooler. It now runs at 220-240.


I think something was done to the motor by the PO. it says 1150 on the side, but its a 1100. Who knows!

Sorry about the dead bugs on the case, LOL....
 
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On hot days here in Southern California (hot valley) mine would run in the 300 zone. Sometimes it would ping and act funny. I stopped riding on hot days until I put in the oil cooler. It now runs at 220-240.


I think something was done to the motor by the PO. it says 1150 on the side, but its a 1100. Who knows!

Sorry about the dead bugs on the case, LOL....

Nice pipe and really nice bike; I love the story behind it. U should probably change those brake lines to SS if they are still original.

What are you doing for rear blinkers?

(you asked for it posting the big pic:o)

With those temps I suspect it has a big block.:lol:
 
Most likely an 1150 cylinder with big bore 1100 pistons of some sort.

Regarding the cooler, what kind of oil temp on a typical So Cal day @ 75F? Does the cooler, over cool the oil? I took the cooler off my 850 for that reason since I didn't have a thermostat.
 
Nice pipe and really nice bike; I love the story behind it. U should probably change those brake lines to SS if they are still original.

What are you doing for rear blinkers?

(you asked for it posting the big pic:o)

With those temps I suspect it has a big block.:lol:


Did you have to quote that big ass picture again...lol:p:D


Rear blinkers? The PO put them little ones on. Please see Exhibit A on the big screen.....the blinkers you see on the front are the same size as the rear. Anyone following me has ad trouble seeing them but they work and look nice just not that functional.


Let me see....i think i have a picture of the rear...you want me to post it? lol

Oh yeah, after this picture I repainted the pipe and cleaned up the can. Looks real nice now.

Brake lines are original. They are next on the list, along with the 25 year old brake fluid LOL It may even have the original brake pads on it.
 
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Let me see....i think i have a picture of the rear...you want me to post it? lol

Oh yeah, after this picture I repainted the pipe and cleaned up the can. Looks real nice now.

Sure, why not. Click on the pic in Photobucket, and select 'resize' (medium).
Flush-mounts look pretty nice & sleek for the rear too, on either side of the tail, though not as visible as stock, unless mounted close to the extreme rear.....for those who don't want to stay stock-looking.
 
Most likely an 1150 cylinder with big bore 1100 pistons of some sort.

Regarding the cooler, what kind of oil temp on a typical So Cal day @ 75F? Does the cooler, over cool the oil? I took the cooler off my 850 for that reason since I didn't have a thermostat.


It's got some grunt. It had a aftermarket Barnett clutch but it would shake when you started off in 1st. Drove me nuts. I put A stock clutch in and its as smooth as silk but it will slip if I give it too much until the oil hits 160F then I can goose it. Strange...


But anyway. 75F after about 20 min it's in the 210-220 range. Even at night. I need to pull it out one of these cold night and take it for a spin i think it's going to hold in that same range. This thing has some heat. I should hook it up to the power grid. Maybe somethings wrong with it.
 
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