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Progress!!! 1978 GS1000E Restoration/Performance Rebuild

Very nice build Anthony. Was surprised to see you didn't install the left side transmission shaft seals before bolting the case halves together. Never done it this way.......Billy
 
Very nice build Anthony. Was surprised to see you didn't install the left side transmission shaft seals before bolting the case halves together. Never done it this way.......Billy

Billy - you HAD to bring this up :-/ We opted not to install the seals first because we were concerned about the case halves "pinching" the sides of the seal where the cases mate. Unfortunately, we buggered all three seals (crank seal, rubber plug, mainshaft seal) attempting to install them. So, because we have no intention of splitting the cases again, we have to figure out a way to install these seals - the edge of the case keeps digging into the rubber on the seal and destroying it.

So, we are going to have to bevel the edge of each seal installation surface - we did deburr and put a small bevel on the front of each seal surface, but apparently it wasn't enough. So, on attempt #2, the plan is as follows: Put a larger bevel on the front of each seal surface, smooth the bevel with a 3m/scotch pad, put the seal in the freezer/icewater to shrink it down a smidge, coat the edge of the seal with grease, and use a perfectly-sized seal driver to install each seal.

If you have a better idea, I'm all ears!!!!! If these seals fail during the couyrse of normal operation, there HAS to be a way to replace them without splitting the engine cases!
 
Anthony, it is good to put a face with the name & voice! The factory puts EVERY case half together with the seals already in place. Save yourself a LOT of heartache & split the cases to install the seals correctly so they don't leak. Also, PLEASE tell me you used Antiseize on the stainless bolts you installed?!!!!
Ray.
 
Anthony, it is good to put a face with the name & voice! The factory puts EVERY case half together with the seals already in place. Save yourself a LOT of heartache & split the cases to install the seals correctly so they don't leak. Also, PLEASE tell me you used Antiseize on the stainless bolts you installed?!!!!
Ray.

Arrgh... I was hoping you weren't going to say that? What do people do when they need to replace a seal with the engine in the bike?
 
in a pinch on a used bike...not a high dollar project people shave the seals... add sealer and nock them in and cross there fingers.
 
FOLKS - I am absolutely ***thrilled*** to report that my Caswell zinc plating setup is up and running. To make a long story short, I bought the chemicals from Caswell, yet I purchased the buckets, zinc anodes, heater, agitation pump, power supply, etc separately.

In essence, I read the Caswell plating manual, followed the directions carefully, and prepped the parts diligently.

The plating setup consists of the following:
Chemicals from Caswell
Zinc anodes from Rotometals with integral copper wire hanger
Various buckets from Mcmaster-Carr (plating, plating rinse, chromate, degreaser)
Constant current power supply from Ebay
Mini-aquarium heater from Ebay
Mini-agitation pump from Ebay
Spray bottle
Distilled water
Copper wire & tubing (laying around the house)

MOST IMPORTANT THINGS I REALIZED WHILE DOING THIS TODAY:
1. Good electrical contact is essential
2. Prepping small parts with a wire wheel vs. bead blasting is MUCH faster and gives a smoother finish


Here are some photos from today's test run:

Plating a dummy - 1/2" copper pipe, brightener added to solution, dipped in blue chromate for 20sec
IMG_1261 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr
IMG_1260 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr
IMG_1269 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr
(you can see where I did a scratch-test on the surface)

Plating of an actual nut and bolt
IMG_1262 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr
IMG_1264 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr
IMG_1266 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr
(there is still some rinse water dripping from the parts)
 
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Oh, and before I forget, about a year ago, Nessism gave me some pointers on setting up a system - this made selecting components much easier. Thanks dude!
 
These arrived yesterday 4/30 :D
IMG_1280 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr

IMG_1281 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr


And here is some more plating progress - FYI if anyone on the forum is interested in setting-up a zinc plating process, PM me and I would be happy to talk to you on the phone to give you some helpful pointers. I've learned A LOT in the past couple plating sessions about how to tweak the process to achieve a great finish.
8cacde4b-cb57-4e10-96c0-28397ea330da by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr

IMG_1284 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr

IMG_1282 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr

IMG_1275 by Anthony Monteleone, on Flickr
 
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How long is it take to do that last bunch? If you're doing a few bolts at a time I'm thinking it will get a bit long in the tooth after awhile?
 
These arrived yesterday 4/30 :D





And here is some more plating progress - FYI if anyone on the forum is interested in setting-up a zinc plating process, PM me and I would be happy to talk to you on the phone to give you some helpful pointers. I've learned A LOT in the past couple plating sessions about how to tweak the process to achieve a great finish.






Nice looking work!
 
I must say your attention to detail brings a tear to my eye! I'm impressed. :D
 
How much do you estimate you have invested in the initial setup? I most concerned about the chemical and metal investment costs. I'm thinking of doing a setup myself so a complete cost breakdown would be much appreciated.
 
WOW, very nice work sir.

I have seen this thread pop up from time to time but I just got around to reading the entire thread, inspiring and nice work on the documentation and descriptions, impressive.

That Caswell Plating kit looks like a nice addition to the shop equipment list for my next project.

Nothing worse than all new shiny parts and ratty old bolts/screws holding it together.

Look forward to seeing the progress.

Cheers,

David
 
How long is it take to do that last bunch? If you're doing a few bolts at a time I'm thinking it will get a bit long in the tooth after awhile?

Azr,

The actual plating process only takes about 15 to 30 minutes, depending on the thickness of plating you wish to have on the part. I have been plating my parts for approximately 20min. In the previous photos, I did all of the small parts in one batch and the axle itself in one batch. So, if you add 10min of prep time to teach batch, that's approximately 30min per go-around. I can plate a batch of parts that requires a maximum cumulative amperage of 5A, with .14A per square inch of surface area. However, I don't like to run my rectifier at full capacity, so 4A is the most I like to go.

The plating isn't that difficult - its the prep work that requires attention, otherwise, your finish will not come out looking pretty. Thus far, I have settled on the following process and it is working well:

ITEMS OF IMPORTANCE:
Parts must be free of heavy grease and oil - if not, use mineral spirits, brake cleaner, a parts washer, etc to perform an initial degrease
Use Caswell's online tools to calculate the surface area and amperage required for each part BEFORE going through the prep stage

1. Immerse part in a 50/50 mixture of pool-grade muriatic acid and distilled water to dissolve existing zinc plating and rust
2. Once parts stop fizzing, remove and IMMEDIATELY dip in a mixture of baking soda and tap water - this is essential to neutralize any remaining acid on the part, otherwise, it will flash rust very quickly.
3. Rinse parts in hot tap water
4. Buff parts with wire wheel until shiny
5. Scrub parts with a toothbrush in a 50/50 micture of either simple green/water or purple power/water to remove any residual oils/grease. WEAR GLOVES and DO NOT touch the part with your bare hands
6. Rinse the part in hot tap water
7. Rinse the part with distilled water
8. Hang the part on copper wire from a copper bar and put it in the bath
9. Attach the positive lead to the zinc anodes and negative lead to the copper bar from which the part hangs
10. Turn on your rectifier and adjust the amperage
11. Set your timer for 15 to 30 min
12. When the time is up, shut off the power supply and remove the parts
13. Rinse parts in distilled water over your "plating rinse" bucket - this water can then be re-added to your plating tank when the level diminishes
14. Dip parts in a 1.5% sulfuric acid/distilled water solution for 3 to 4 seconds - this will brighten the part significantly and eliminate the need for buffing
15. Rinse the part in distilled water
16. Dip the part in blue chromate for 15 to 30 seconds, depending on depth of color desired
17. Let parts air dry for 4hrs minimum, overnight preferred.

Some of the things that are also important are: keeping the bath around 80 to 95 degrees using an aquarium heater (some people don't bother and still have good results). Also, agitating the solution during plating using a miniature aquarium pump is key to avoiding hydrogen spots on your pieces.

Long story short, I had some difficulty with my parts coming out of the bath slightly dull, even with the appropriate amount of brightener added to the plating bath - this dullness was easily buffed away with some 000 steel wool. However, I wanted to eliminate the buffing step. After a few phone calls to Caswell and picking the brain of the tech support guy, he suggested the 1 to 1.5% sulfuric acid "brightening dip" before the chromate step. This works amazingly well, as it really clears up the zinc. The nitric acid in the chromate will brighten up the part the rest of the way. Although I will maintain adding brightener to the plating bath every 3 to 4 plating sessions, the sulfuric dip makes using brightener less critical.

Does this help?

PS: I forgot to mention - when you are done plating for the day, remove your anodes from the bath and rinse them with distilled water and then let them dry. If you leave the anodes in the bath overnight or for several days (like I did), they can oxidize and impart a dirty look to your parts. If this happens, take them out, scrub them down with a scotch-brite pad in some degreaser, and then rinse them with distilled. I soda-blasted mine to clean them off. Then, Remove your heater and pump, rinse them with distilled, and then cover the bucket - buckets with airtight lids are very helpful in this situation.
 
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I must say your attention to detail brings a tear to my eye! I'm impressed. :D

Thank you, sir! This project has been a labor of love, and as of now, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. All of the big purchases are made except for the following:

Headlight bucket + brackets
Petcock + mounting adapter
Control switches
Misc hardware

All thats really left is finishing the engine assembly, re-plating all the hardware, then actual bike assembly. I am going to redo the electrical harness with Deutsch connectors, a modern fuse panel, and some new circuits with relays (main, ignition, etc). I will post pics as I do this.

More to follow, as always! :cool:
 
How much do you estimate you have invested in the initial setup? I most concerned about the chemical and metal investment costs. I'm thinking of doing a setup myself so a complete cost breakdown would be much appreciated.

JTG,

Here is a *rough* breakdown of things I have purchased - please bear in mind that as you experiment with the system, there will be additional cost, i.e. additional acids, buckets, copper wire, etc. Nobody starts zinc plating like a pro, and the learning curve has a small amount of expense until you get a process down that you like.

All costs include shipping unless otherwise noted:

Chemicals from Caswell
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[TD] Copy Cad? & Zinc Concentrate 1.5 Gal [/TD]
[TD] ZN15C[/TD]
[TD]
1
[/TD]
[TD]
$59.13
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] Copy Cad? & Zinc Brightener 4 oz[/TD]
[TD] ZNBRADD[/TD]
[TD]
1
[/TD]
[TD]
$11.83
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] Blue Chromate - 8oz Makes 1 Quart[/TD]
[TD] BCC8[/TD]
[TD]
1
[/TD]
[TD]
$20.90
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] Yellow Chromate[/TD]
[TD] YCHRC5G[/TD]
[TD]
1
[/TD]
[TD]
$31.93
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]
Subtotal
[/TD]
[TD]
$123.79
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]
Shipping & Handling
[/TD]
[TD]
$12.15
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"]
Grand Total (Excl.Tax)
[/TD]
[TD]
$135.94
[/TD]
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[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Plating Rectifier - EBAY
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[TD="width: 565, colspan: 2"] New 30V 5A 110V Precision Variable DC Power Supply Digital Adjustable Lab w/clip[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 65"] [TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 48"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[TD="width: 490"] [TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 367"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 142"] Paid on Jun-02-14 [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="width: 77"] $58.99 [/TD]
[TD="width: 10"][/TD]
[TD="width: 79"] Free [/TD]
[TD="width: 3"][/TD]
[TD="width: 83"] 1 [/TD]
[TD="width: 9"][/TD]
[TD="width: 79"]
$58.99
[/TD]
[TD="width: 3"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 490, colspan: 9"] FedEx SmartPost [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 490, colspan: 9"] Estimated delivery: Thu. Jun. 5 - Fri. Jun. 13 [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Aquarium Pump - EBAY
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[TR]
[TD="width: 565, colspan: 2"] 300L/H 3W 80GPH Aquarium Submersible Water Pump For Fresh/Salt Water Aquarium [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 65"] [TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 48"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[TD="width: 490"] [TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 367"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 142"] Paid on Jun-02-14 [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="width: 77"] $9.99 [/TD]
[TD="width: 10"][/TD]
[TD="width: 79"] Free [/TD]
[TD="width: 3"][/TD]
[TD="width: 83"] 1 [/TD]
[TD="width: 9"][/TD]
[TD="width: 79"]
$9.99
[/TD]
[TD="width: 3"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 490, colspan: 9"] Economy Shipping [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 490, colspan: 9"] Estimated delivery: Wed. Jun. 4 - Tue. Jun. 17 [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Aquarium Heater - EBAY

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[TD="width: 565, colspan: 2"] 50W Aquarium Heater Anti-Explosion Submersible Fish Tank Water Adjustable [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 65"] [TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 48"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[TD="width: 490"] [TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 367"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 142"] Paid on Jun-03-14 [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="width: 77"] $6.95 [/TD]
[TD="width: 10"][/TD]
[TD="width: 79"] Free [/TD]
[TD="width: 3"][/TD]
[TD="width: 83"] 1 [/TD]
[TD="width: 9"][/TD]
[TD="width: 79"]
$6.95
[/TD]
[TD="width: 3"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 490, colspan: 9"] USPS First Class Package [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 490, colspan: 9"] Estimated delivery: Sat. Jun. 7 [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Zinc Anodes - Rotometals
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[TD] Item[/TD]
[TD] Qty[/TD]
[TD] Price[/TD]
[TD] Grand Total[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] ZINCPLATECopperWire1lb[/TD]
[TD] Zinc Anode - 2.5" x 4.5" Hang Overboard with Copper Wire
[Wire Length:1 foot Copper Wire]
[/TD]
[TD] 4[/TD]
[TD] $4.99[/TD]
[TD] $19.96[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 5"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"][/TD]
[TD]
Subtotal:
[/TD]
[TD] $19.96[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"][/TD]
[TD]
Tax:
[/TD]
[TD] $0.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"][/TD]
[TD]
Shipping Cost:
[/TD]
[TD] $10.99[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 3"][/TD]
[TD]
Grand Total:
[/TD]
[TD] $30.95[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 435"]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 100"]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

GRAND TOTAL FOR THIS SECTION $242.82
 
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