I can't argue that point, I've never studied it. Just all my life heard that engines were combustion (ICE) and motors were elect. and never heard it argued any different... That being said I'd guess a train is pulled by an ENGINEMOTOR. Always heard they use a diesel engine, to power a generator that produces electricity, to power an elect motor that pulls the train.... Now that's just way too much for me to dive into.
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When do you expect ev bikes to become practical road bikes.
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I believe they're called "diesel electric."
I think in everyday use the words "motor" and "engine" have become interchangeable. Like "internet" and "www." Or "opiate" and "opioid." At least that's what the JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) says.
There are very few of us who know the difference, and we rarely run into each other, so it's mostly moot. :beguiled:
20yrs is pretty good, the average ICE has a 10-11 yr lifespan. With Tesla rentals attaining 400,000 miles that's way more than the typical ICE. Million mile batteries are are projected to be not far off.
Will car chassis that houses the battery disintegrate before the battery dies? Is this logic behind the stainless steel Cybertruck, a chassis that will match the battery lifespan?
Will we be able to buy cars without batteries and transplant our used batteries with a half million miles on it to the new car?
With coming ev domination of the market I expect most gas service stations will disappear, people that can will eventually convert to home charging. Unless they plan a long journey they'll just charge at home for their urban commuting, charge up at home with no service station markup.
We don't refer to cars as horseless carriages anymore.
It'll still have an motor, electric just not ICE.
Will our big boy egos still feel the need to separate our big ev cycles from the little scooter/bike commuters.
We'll find out in 10-15 years where this goes.
The more I look at it, the more the Sondors Metacycle might end up becoming my commuter cycle.
I was referring to what we'll be calling the new ev cycles, motorcycles or something else. They'll be existing side by side for quiet some time.
It's defined as a scooter I don't know how something that has a top end of 130kph is called a scooter.
130kms is acceptable range for urban transport as it is, converted to Solid state in the future it could be ideal with better range,quicker recharge time and power.
Does it have small wheels? Or step-through design?
I'm starting to think that viable electric motorcycles, and I mean powerful long distance machines, are closer than I originally thought. I won't be able to afford one, I couldn't buy a new I.C.E. machine of any sort (living my goal and realization of having no monthly bills, except for my mortgage, Utilities, and fuel necessities). I'm not going into debt for anything. The reality for my son though will be quite different, and if the world can be left better than when we arrived,(all things considered), that would be a good thing. 
4 or 5 years ago, I was tooling along in the left lane of a large expressway (Whitestone) on my Suzi (11E) when 2 2-wheelers breezed by, splitting lanes at more than 70 mph. One was a mid size conventional (600 4 cylinder?), BUT
The other was an ICE moped (Bergman?) with a modified exhaust (the muffler might have just been gutted). It seemed to be near it's overall speed limit and it's rider looked to be between 250 and 300 lbs.
Of course, my immaturity got the better of me and I showed them how it's done, but I'll never forget the image of that big guy on a moped speeding along.
So it has good highway handling.
couldn't find a spec. Sheet.
It's no Segway though.
I'm starting to think that viable electric motorcycles, and I mean powerful long distance machines, are closer than I originally thought. I won't be able to afford one, I couldn't buy a new I.C.E. machine of any sort (living my goal and realization of having no monthly bills, except for my mortgage, Utilities, and fuel necessities). I'm not going into debt for anything. The reality for my son though will be quite different, and if the world can be left better than when we arrived,(all things considered), that would be a good thing.
The debt thing is an issue for many of us as we age out/ burn out I was in the same position until recently. Now debt free with good monthly pension I can buy anything I want but I like being debt free, it feels good. Does it make financial sense for me to buy an ev, probably not. If I do it'll be because I'm helping ny kids future and because I want an ev cycle, maybe a Sondor.
And reality is something like the Sondor if it does what is claimed is an economical commuter and it's price is not out of line for today. There are bicycles sell for much more, a lot more!
Looks like the Sondor delivers at about 60% of advertisement at best. Its real world range seems to be about 45 miles at 60 mph or under. Above 60 and it drops into the 30 mile range. Time will improve the breed, even if some die off.
Sondor being Chinese origin I'm sure they're awaiting the trickle down of Solid State batteries from the automotive world.
We went to a "Drive Electric" event here in Knoxville last Saturday, put on by the local electric vehicle club.
Mostly privately own vehicles, and some dealers. But we got to see, and sit in most of the major brands. Also drove one of dozen they had for test drives.
One vendor there is an electric motorcycle rental company, out of Robbinsville, NC (Near the Dragon) https://www.emotousa.com/
They have three Zeros, an RS/R, RS/S, DSR/X, and a Energica Eva Ribelle.
Told us they do 2 hour rentals, which would be a decent test ride.
Mostly privately own vehicles, and some dealers. But we got to see, and sit in most of the major brands. Also drove one of dozen they had for test drives.
One vendor there is an electric motorcycle rental company, out of Robbinsville, NC (Near the Dragon) https://www.emotousa.com/
They have three Zeros, an RS/R, RS/S, DSR/X, and a Energica Eva Ribelle.
Told us they do 2 hour rentals, which would be a decent test ride.
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Bob, if you ever do take any emoto test rides I would be very interested in where the center of gravity feels to be. As my numerous damaged and non oem body parts age I find myself much more aware than I used to be when I have to push bikes around or (grimace) pick them up.
The Electric motorcycles are going to be heavier than their ICE equivalent. I really haven't seen much discussion on where and how they carry that additional weight. Is it low enough to offset that inherent disadvantage?
